BEL
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Tesco was started by a Jewish family,the heiress Shirley Porter was well known in Westminster!!!!!John Porter had many interests in Israel,including food but cannot remember ever seeing a Tesco store,maybe under another name?Have not been over there since the 90s.
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Chickadee
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Hmm...not sure Shirley Porter is a great advert for Judaism!!!
Cuppy, it's a terrible situation, but not a hopeless one. There is much good work going on - people like Daniel Barenboim and his work with musicians on both sides - see his speech on this link http://www.danielbarenboim.com/journal_two_peoples.htm
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Mollymandy
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At least she made me look up what Gerrymandering meant... naughty lady.. 
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BEL
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Mollymandy,you got it in one!!!!Shirley Porter did so much damage in Westminster,sold all the council houses off..we nurses loved her!!!
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BEL
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Agree Daniel Barenboim was brilliant with the Palestinian/Israeli youth orchestra,and was very unpopular with both sides,very sad,lovely man.Need more like him.
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cupcake
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Have looked up gerrymandering...I'd never heard of it but now.....well, I DO understand.
I have learnt so much from this thread. Thanks all of you!
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cupcake
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I read something today that suggested there was celebrating on the streets of Gaza when the Twin Towers were destroyed.
Isd that true?
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Mayday
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I don't know Cuppy. But remember the hugely strong armaments of the Jews(from which the Palestinians have suffered more than once) are supported and supplied by the Americans. So you can see their first re-action would be to celebrate. Also there are the extremists who will whip up a crowd whenever there is an excuse.
I hasten to add I am guessing but just putting forward possibilities.
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expatK
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It was reported on the BBC news website today that 2 rockets had been fired into Israel-over night, I think. The Israeli Prime Minister said he was going to retaliate in a "disproportionate" manner....
By the way,I distinctly remember our Palestinian friend telling us was that when he heard about the Twin Towers, he sat down, put his head in his hands and cried.......
I think this has been an absolutely brilliant thread- thanks to everyone.
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cupcake
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The point is, I think, that there is right and wrong on both sides and you cannot possibly genralise about individuals..as you cannot in any given circumstance.
Wherever there are those who, for whatever reason, resort to violent means, there will always be, on the opposite side, those who are pacifists and would weep at any loss of life.
Two sides to every story.
For me this has been such an informative and interesting thread.
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Suee
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I've just read this thread and will read it again,some things I knew others not.A very interesting thread.I also think this problem will go on for years and feel for both sides,suee xxx
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Mayday
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Did any of you see Rageh Omaar's piece tonight 'History of Christianity'....one of a series by different presenters. It was an excellent piece and gave insight into the background of the great divide between the Christian/Judeo world and the Muslim world. Not un-related to the crisis in Israel/Gaza. He went right back to The Crusades. An inglorious episode in Christianity and leaving the Muslims encapsulating Crusades/Colonialism/occupation/oppression...more or less. It all got confused in their belief and that is one of the reasons they cannot find it easy to tolerate all that that represents.(Mainly 'The West') They also include Judeaism in the mix. It is hard to put it all over as he did. You might be able to find the piece online on Channel 4.
When he gave the facts about the crusades it made me ashamed to profess Christianity! The horrendous things that have gone on in the name of religion! Still do of course! I have to keep separating religion from 'Faith' ....two different things.
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Mayday
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Just pushing this up as perhaps might be interesting to other members?
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