cupcake
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could someone explain it to me properly please? Preferably from the begining and I don't want 'sides' just facts!
How it all came about and what it WAS and IS all about.
I know about some of it but can anyone tell me the whole story please?
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Thimble
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I would like to know as well cupcake. I seem to recall reading somewhere that it is something to do with land belonging to one of them then the other took it back and the gaza strip is sort of no mans land. I might be wrong...............
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Tigerfeet
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Can someone tell me too please ...
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Barney
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If you mean the current situation Cupcake - apparently a ceasefire was agreed between Hamas and the Israelis last June/July. Despite this Hamas continued to fire rockets/mortars into Israel. Israel repeatedly warned them that action would be taken if they didn't stop. The agreed ceasefire ended in November. Hamas continued to fire rockets and Israel is now taking retaliatory(sp?). At least thats how I understand it.
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chattycathy
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I dont have a clue Cuppy as I'm not up on these things as I tend to live with my head in the clouds...
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mezzanine
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I don't fully understand the history of the conflict either but this is what I found on the net:
'The roots of the current conflict lie in the battle over land claimed by both Israel and the Palestinians.
In 1947, the United Nations recommended partitioning what was then the British mandate of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states. Jewish settlers declared the formation of the state of Israel in 1948, prompting the surrounding Arab nations to invade. By the end of the brief war, the land that was to have been the Palestinian Arab state was occupied partially by Israel and partially by Egypt and Jordan. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were expelled or fled Israeli-controlled territory and many wound up in refugee camps in the Egyptian-held Gaza Strip.
In 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive strike on Egypt, Syria and Jordan and occupied the Gaza Strip, West Bank and East Jerusalem, among other areas. The Gaza Strip remained under Israeli control until 1994, when it became partly autonomous under the Palestinian National Authority as a result of the Oslo accords. Israel continued to exercise considerable control in the area, however, and Israeli settlements that had been built during the period of military occupation remained.
Successive peace processes started and stalled in the following years. Neither the Israelis nor the Palestinians lived up to commitments made under a timetable set forth in 2003 meant to lead to a Palestinian state next to Israel. Israel did eventually evacuate its settlements in the Gaza Strip, however, forcibly ejecting Israeli citizens from these settlements in 2005.
In June, an Egyptian-brokered cease-fire between Hamas and Israel halted missiles being fired into Israel and stopped Israeli incursions into Gaza. The truce lapsed on Dec. 19 and, following dozens of rocket attacks from Gaza, Israel launched its crackdown.'
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Thimble
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Thank you mezzie that sums it up nicely and now I understand.
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chilla
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But they will bicker for years. Well said Barney. Now can someone tell me why Israel is taking so much flak after being attacked by rockets for so long before retaliating. Is it just that people view the response as diproportionate or is it more that people seem not to think Israel should be there at all.
Am I right in thinking that Hamas are Iranian backed?
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BEL
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Hamas get their supplies through from Egypt,don't know
whether Iranian backed....but the President of Iran,is it
Aminadab? threatened 'to wipe Israel off the face of the
earth'.The Jews now Israel said they would never become
submissive again,after the loss of 6 million in the
holocaust.
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nowcemsi
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I interpret the situation to be that Israel want to push Palestine off the planet and or the sea!!
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BEL
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Israel could have done that a long time ago if that was
what they were about...they have a very highly,efficent,
modern army.
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dizeeblonde
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I do understand the situation, but as Mezzanine has outlined the jist of it I will not repeat. There is more to it, but it is impossible to write it down without probably causing this to turn nasty. I will say that there are many envoys who are trying to bring about resolution in the form of a two state agreement. Chilla Hamas being Iranian backed is only a theory, they are actually a Sunni Islamist organisation ( there is more than one kind of Muslim). They are now officially elected but some nations still believe them to be terrorists.
This situation in the middle east has led to the rise of organisations such as Al Qaeda.
The idea behind the state of Israel actually started much earlier than the 2nd world war with the Balfour agreement proposed by us the British ( think it was around 1918)
Chilla Israel is taking so much flak, as if they see Hamas as a terrorist organisation, why have they invaded and begun to kill civilians, and refused journalists entry to Gaza? Also they have huge backing from America, so this means that us and France etc have to be very careful in what we say or do in this situation.
If you want to go deeper into why America is so pro Israel, there are many fundementalist Christian groups over there that belive to put it very simply that God will judge them on how they treat Jews, so they take this to mean they must support Israel whatever action they do. There are also theories that Bush is one such believer, and that contributes to the hatred the Arab world has for him.
It is a very very complex subject, I have read a few books on it, but it is a heavy subject to get your head around.
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Athena
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I understand the History but always struggle to see how there can ever be a solution. Israel is there to stay, but is not acknowledged by Islamic neighbours.
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BEL
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Dizee,not sure about the fundamentalists...more like Free
masons...as the freemasons have always wanted to protect
Jersualem as a centre of Christian relgion.When Jersualem
was lost in the 3rd Crusade it remained in Arab hands until
11th December 1917 when General Allenby received the keys
of Jresualem from the Otterman Turks.Allenby was president
of the Anglo/Israeli archeological society,and also patron
of the British Israel World federation. As you can tell have
done quite alot of reading on this complex situation!!
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dizeeblonde
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me too Bel, but crikey not read that far back in any depth, not an easy one to get to grips with is it? Also my daughter is studying a degree in religion and theology, so I often pester her to try and get a broader understanding of things. She has some incredible books to read, but sometimes I have to read something then read it again to take it all in.  Going slightly off subject here I have discovered there are so many religions I had never heard of.
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suejane
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My heart goes out to the children, as always the victims.How can it be that you send tanks against children?How can you fire rockets against children? Are we never to learn the lessons of the last 2 world wars?ps Zimbabwe is off the front pages, is there anyone left there do you think?
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cupcake
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Hang on girls...you've lost me. I'm just going to go back and read it all again.
I wanted to know, basically what happened in the begining. I don't really understand what is happening now because I don't understand the root of the problem...not fully. I'll re read all that's been posted and let you know if I'm any the wiser.
Thanks to you all amyway.x
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PLASMO
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Dizee,
What you have said makes a great deal of sense and is a very fair analysis of the situation.
However, in my opinion, the Israili's are trying to stop their citizens being rocketed by terrorists, who given the chance would do exactly the same to us in the West.
Plasmo x
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cupcake
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could you explain Hamas to me please? Never heard of it til recently. I don't watch the TV. Don't read the papers much either ...terrible admission but I have enough grief in my own life recently and can't deal with any more. However, I would like to understand this situation more.
Dizee, you've made it all a lot more clear to me , Thanks.
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PLASMO
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Cuppie,
Hamas is simply a terrorist organization, it is made up of Islamic Palestinian Fundamentalists their aim is to obliterate the state of Israel.
I hope that explains a little for you Cuppy.
Plasmo x
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