| Marchbirdy |
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| 09/06/2009 08:30 |
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Having bitten my nails forever I finally stopped last year by having weekly manicures. The nails look nice with polish on but terrible without (ridges, dry etc.) They constantly break and flake so I am considering having nail extensions but I am completely baffled! The salon I attend does 'nail extensions and infills' I'm not sure what they use. Other salons offer fibreglass, acrylic, reglazing...I am so confused; I just want nice nails all time instead of different lengths through the week because everyday it seems another one breaks! The fibreglass ones are classed as semi-permanent but are really expensive, however, if they last a few weeks it may be worth if if the tops ups aren't too expensive. Also do you think the price of the extensions includes the polish? Which ones last longest? How long does it all take?
Also do they have to go under the ultra violet thingy? There have been reports that they can cause skin cancer.
This time last year all I did was bit them and hid them! I have asked the girl who does my nails at the salon I go to but she's 19, a bit dippy and vague but does a very nice job of the manicures and waxing that I have done.
All advice greatly appreciated!
| Fluffington |
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| 09/06/2009 08:40 |
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Marchbirdy,
I would suggest NOT to have nail extensions. They ruin your nails completely and take a lot of upkeep as well. When they get taken off the nails are weak, dry and look horrible. If your nails are already not in a good way I think this will make them a lot lot worse!
What I would suggest is trying Sally Hansen products. I once got one that was a nail strengthener and it made them grow fantastically.
Obviously it's up to you and the extensions look lovely when they have been done, but after a couple of weeks the nails have grown so there is a gap at the bottom and they need filling in. And it takes a long time for the real nails to get back to normal again!
| freesia |
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| 09/06/2009 09:03 |
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Morning Fluff and Marchbird,
Have to agree with Fluffington on this one.......Sally Hensens products are really good for your nails mine used to break a lot and now they are ok.
False nails.......never tryed ,but have been told how they ruin your nails.
Freesia x
| Vinca |
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| 09/06/2009 09:31 |
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Morning Marchbirdy, Fluff and Freesia,
Well done Marchbirdy for stopping biting your nails! I had nails like yours, and after many years of trying all sorts of things (inlcuding acrylic and fibreglass nails) a manicurist told me to use cuticle oil on my nails to stop the flaking.
I tried it, and it worked! You put a drop of oil on each cuticle and rub it in at night, just beore you go to bed, and after you have washed your hands for the last time. You have to persevere, using the oil every night for four to five months to allow the oil treated nail to grow right through to the tip, but my nails are now strong and look lovely. I haven't had one flake or peel for years. Now I oil them two or three times a week to keep them healthy.
Good luck!
| Woodentop |
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| 09/06/2009 10:13 |
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Morning Marchbirdy and everyone.
Definately dont have extensions, they will with out a doubt make your nails worse.
I agree with the other ladies Sally Hansen products really work, a year or so ago my nails would not stop flaking and braking for some reason, I started using Sally Hanson Miracle Cure, its in a blue bottle with a gold top, and its transformed my nails back to how they used to be, really strong and healthy.
Woodentop
| Loo |
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| 09/06/2009 10:28 |
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Well done for stopping the nail biting.
I found that having a manicure left my nails brittle and flaky. so now I go "au naturalle" and can recomend the cuticle oil. Its lovely and smells of almonds.
Loo
| Marchbirdy |
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| 09/06/2009 10:41 |
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Thanks for your replies! Going natural isn't an option they are really really horrid! The ridges are very thick and they need several coats to cover them. I just thought if they're wrecked anyway why not just go the whole hog! Anyone out there recommend the extensions? I am considering the Sally Hanson stuff but it would have to go under the polish. What cuticle oil do you all recommend?
| Bizibee |
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| 09/06/2009 10:48 |
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Marchbirdy - I am with the others on this I'm sorry. Never consider extensions acrylic or otherwise. I would probably suggest going to a better manicurist who will buff your ridges with a special buffer type file. They really do work. Put cuticle cream or oil on every day without fail and massage into your nails and cuticles. I think short well manicured nails are so much nicer than falsies. Acrylics and the like are a bit Waggish if you know what I mean.
Sorry this is not the answer you wanted.
| Jade |
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| 09/06/2009 16:32 |
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Hi Marchbirdy, I am going to state the opposite of these ladies, although I do agree with your nails being very breakable after having acrylics on.
I had some acrylics applied in March then took them off after a couple of weeks, and I'm having them put on again on Friday for my holiday and sister's wedding. They cost me £50 but the price varies from salon to salon.
I have the french manicure look and I love them, they are so strong and therefore don't break and look so good. So for me there a winner but everyone's different and what ever you prefer you go ahead with.
I don't know anything about any ultra violet, and the oil they give you does help to protect your nails.
I hope this helps, perhaps you should try a different salon for more advice on the types you can get.
| Mollymandy |
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| 09/06/2009 16:57 |
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You can just have gel overlays on your nails, which will smooth out the ridges and then have a pretty nail polish. It certainly stops nibbled nails - I have had mine on for over a year and do not have any problems at all.
The biggest ask is to find a good nail technician - there are a lot of cowgirls out there. Nails Inc in House of Fraser are excellent. Have mine done every 2 - 3 weeks and after years of bitten, brittle nails, they are terrific...
| scottishmags |
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| 09/06/2009 17:02 |
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Hi!
I have the worst nails in the world ( But am going to try the cuticle oil recommended - thanks! )
According to several friends, once you have acrylic nails you have to keep them forever. One of my best friends worked out that her nails, with infills etc work out at £10 a week.. that's £500+ a year - for me, not worth it.
Mags
| Marchbirdy |
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| 09/06/2009 17:28 |
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I'm really enjoying this! I didn't want to know about nails when I was a biter, now I'm really interested in all things naily! What exactly are gel overlays? Do they dry the nail the same as acrylics? I have bought some Sally Hanson Miracle Cure but having spoken to my sons' girlfriends they are urging me to go for acrylics - they swear by them, sometimes they have them and some times they go natural and their natural nails are lovely - but they are only 22! I really appreciate all the advice so thank you all very much!
| JanieM |
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| 09/06/2009 17:55 |
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I used Jessica Fusion on mine, which had a tendency to peel - applying two coats with lots of strokes as instructed. It did work and now I use a different basecoat. You can use Fusion alone or under a colour. Jessica stuff is expensive but cheaper on-line at Feel Unique. No P & P charges and no minimum spend. It's a good site for lots of other products too.
http://www.feelunique.com/
Jane x
| Mollymandy |
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| 09/06/2009 18:22 |
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Its relative really : £10 a week, if you want to feel proud of having pretty nails, is a lot less than cigarettes or a couple of bottles of wine - both of which are bad for you!
I am not 22 - more like 62! You don't need to have a French manicure - I generally have mine a very pretty pale natural pink, or occasionally dark red.... for special occasions...
http://www.gelisy.com/gel-nails.htm
http://www.nailsinc.com/services
Nails Inc 3 week manicure is not damaging to nails and looks really natural... not sure where you live, but they are in most big towns or department stores.
| ANNIE132 |
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| 10/06/2009 12:28 |
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Have any of you ladies tried Calgel? I started having this done last Dec (supposedly just for Christmas) and got hooked, its a product that comes in many colour but because its porous it lets air in and dosnt harm your natural nails like acrylics. This usually lasts 3 to 4 weeks and I have tried lots of colours now, in fact have my colour chart marked out for rest of year! Its fab having nice nails and they feel really strong and also guaranteed not to chip, you do have to have them done in a salon and after initial treatment which costs £35 its £20 every time you go......hope this helps
| Marchbirdy |
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| 10/06/2009 18:17 |
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The calgel sounds fab, I'll definitely look that up. Where did you have it done? I live in Manchester so hopefully somewhere will do it. Thank you to everyone for all your advice!
| RunGirl |
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| 10/06/2009 19:58 |
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I don't know the correct technical terms but I have acrylic tips and they then paste over the rest of the nails with a sort of paste - I guess that is acrylic nails! I have infills about every 3 weeks and a new set from time to time. Overall cost is about £6/7 per week. For me it's worth it as they always look nice - they make a good job of painting them and I never need to repaint them in between. I usually go for neutral colours so my nails look natural.
Have occasionally had them taken off and agree it takes a bit of time for the nails to recover, although I think that is partly because I get used to how hard the artificial nails are and real nails feel so soft.
| ANNIE132 |
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| 11/06/2009 09:01 |
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I live outside Edinburgh so have my nails done in West Lothian but if you type calgel into Google you will be able to read all about it, I'm quite sure you will be able to have it done in Manchester, let me know how you get on...
| issi |
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| 12/06/2009 08:26 |
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After years and years of weak nails I have finally got lovely manicured nails. On this forum one member recommended Dr Lewinn's nail strengthener. It has taken about three months but the difference is amazing. You put the strengthener on, 2 coats and not on the cuticle area, the first day. Then for the next five days you add a coat and on the 7th day you take it all off and start again. It gives a lovely gloss to your nails. Do this for three weeks and stop for a week. Meanwhile, rub a little of the nail oil in your cuticle area ever day. At first I found I had breakages and splits, but eventually that stopped and even when short the nails looked nice and became easy to manicure.
| scottishmags |
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| 12/06/2009 08:30 |
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That sounds good issi will try it.. is it easy to get hold of?
Mags
| Scarlets |
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| 12/06/2009 18:22 |
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I agree with Fluffington. Dont have false nails.
My daughter had them for a few months and I must admit I was quite jealous of them, until they started being a problem.
They left her own nails in a dreadful state. Took her months to get them back to just an ok state.
A friend asked me once what I do with my nails. Hand cream - loads of it, morning noon and night, especially at night.
If your nails are really bad slap on the hand cream when you go to bed and wear some old gloves so that you dont mark the bedding.
I dont have manicures - too expensive, but if you can afford them, do treat yourself.
| Foxie |
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| 12/06/2009 18:44 |
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Some one at work has had her false nails removed after 12 years and her nails are really weak. Very thin and sensitive and keep breaking and splitting.
F x.
| issi |
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| 16/06/2009 20:12 |
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I think you will have to get Dr Lewinn's on the internet. I got mine in Harrods so possibly a department store may have it.
| Glitterqueen |
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| 17/06/2009 15:49 |
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I got my Dr Lewins in Debenhams. It's expensive but worth the money imo.
| angelfingers |
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| 24/07/2009 22:25 |
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hello everyone, i am a new member of the discussion forum. i am a qualified nail professional with a large list of private clients plus i am an international educator travelling world wide to train people in the beauty trade how to carry out nail procedures in a safe and ethical manner. so i thought i could perhaps pass on some advice and dispell some myths about nail treatments for you.
let me first assure you that having acrylic nail extensions in no way harms the natural nail. however the preparation, application, maintenance and aftercare involved must be 100% to keep this condition.
it is of the utmost importance to find a very well trained and highly qualified nail professional to perform the treatments.
this will ensure that your natural nails are given the correct care to maintain good condition.
one of the most important things to consider when having nail extensions is whether you are commited to the aftercare and maintenance routine.
wearers will be required to use cuticle oil at least once a day to retain the flexibility of the acrylic to prevent brittleness and breakages. in addition this will also nourish the natural nail and allow a supplenes that will mean the nail will flex rather than break if a trauma occurs.
secondly you must be prepared to return to your therapist for maintenance proceedures every 2 to 3 weeks. failure to do so will mean that your nail extensions will become out of balance and that will cause stress and damage to the natural nail. at a maintenance appointment, not only is the new area of growth filled in, but the entire nail should be reshaped to restore the correct structure.
thirdly the removal procedure is very important. ive lost count of the times i have heard 'i had acrylic nails, but they ruined my nails' usually when questioned the client will admit that they removed them by biting , picking or levering off the products.
the acrylic product bonds well to the natural nail and picking it off will take away layers of the natural nail with it and leave nails thin and damaged until nail growth replaces the damage with fresh undamages material.
after a professional removal by an experienced nail technician, nails may feel weaker because [as one poster noted] you have been used to the extra strength that the acrylic has given you. this takes a while to acclimatise to. also the nails will be temporarily dehydrated because we need to use a solvent to take off the acrylic gently. this is a short term problem that can be resolved with cuticle oil and allowing the nails to regain their natural moisture content.
never pick your nail professional on price alone. there are many poor quality nail salons around that in order to keep prices low to atract clients will cut corners in terms of quality.
they will be using inferior products that are not long lasting and in some cases actually harmful to the consumer. some low price salons are using an acrylic product called mma.this product is actually designed to make dentures with and is totally unsuitable to use for nail extensions because of the rigidity. this mma acrylic is actually outlawed in most of the united states. it requires very aggressive preparation of the nail plate in order to bond suficiently which will be very damaging and leave you with nails that are sore and very thin for months. sometimes if the mma nails are knocked hard, the weakened nail plate is prone to tear off the finger all together resulting in extreme pain and long term damage.
also beware of a nail technician that completes the job very rapidly. a properly trained technician using quality products and following correct proceedures will take between 1 and 2 hours to complete the work carefully.
i could go on all night with facts and information, but i have outlined what are probably the most important factors for consideration. i recomend going to www.salongeek.com and enquiring in the consumer section as to a good tech in your area.
the best advice on this thread so far is to make cuticle oil a regular habit. it will do wonders for the condition of the natural nail if you keep up the regime.it prevents breakage by adding flexibility and the action of the regular massage in the matrix area of the nail will stimilate growth by boosting circulation.
i am a master technician, qualified in all areas of nail treatments and if anyone would like to ask me any specific questions i would be glad to help.
susan.
| izzyb50 |
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| 24/07/2009 22:46 |
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Hi, i've had acrylic nails on and off for 10 years and agree with everything Angelfingers says, when i have my nails removed they do feel thin and sensitive but they have been used to all that acrylic for months which have protected them. The oil is very important and does make a difference.
hope this helps.
izzy x
| Foxie |
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| 25/07/2009 11:00 |
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Hi angelfingers
Thanks for the advice, I have seen nail bars offering a full set of acrylics for £10 on the Walworth Road in Elephant and Castle.
| angelfingers |
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| 25/07/2009 22:58 |
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you have got to wonder why they are so cheap.
i wouldnt touch them with somebody elses barge pole !
| Shoelover |
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| 27/07/2009 08:55 |
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I was a nail biter for years, until a few years ago when I made a real effort to stop. Even so, I still nibble when I am really stressed! Also, as I use a keyboard all day, my nails get quite alot of bashing anyway, so they have been soft and flaky for a long time.
I've tried all sorts of falsies - fibreglass, acrylic, stick on and have given up on them all as they just make matters worse.
The best of all solution I have found is to use a good quality nail buffer about once a week (no more or it makes the nails thin) and the best cream is the Sally Hansen cuticle and nail cream in the little silver tub. Its really gloopy and sticky and you have to rub it in really well, so I do it on the train in the morning and also sometimes at night. Also, don't use any polish or paint on strengthener and make sure you wear gloves when cleaning, washing up, gardening etc.
My nails are now growing healthy and strong.
| Topcat |
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| 27/07/2009 13:23 |
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Hi
I am having problems with my nails. I had bitten them for many years, but have now stopped and managed to grow them to quite a good length. However disaster has struck. I painted them with nail varnish for my holiday (only 1 week)and they looked great. However when I took the varnish off to renew it, several nails had white patches stretching down towards the cuticle and appeared to be lifting off of the nail bed. I have had to cut them short and they are now unslightly. what did I do wrong?
Could it be that because I had bitten away the sides of the nails in the past?
| angelfingers |
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| 28/07/2009 14:34 |
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I am having problems with my nails. I had bitten them for many years, but have now stopped and managed to grow them to quite a good length. However disaster has struck. I painted them with nail varnish for my holiday (only 1 week)and they looked great. However when I took the varnish off to renew it, several nails had white patches stretching down towards the cuticle and appeared to be lifting off of the nail bed. I have had to cut them short and they are now unslightly. what did I do wrong?
Could it be that because I had bitten away the sides of the nails in the past?
so have the nails actually got patches where they are no longer attatched to the nail bed?
it is difficult to tell without seing the nails, but sometimes white patches appear on the surface of the nail because of excessive dryness. polish that contains formaldehide can cause dryness with excessive use.
but nails that have lifted from the nailbed are usually caused by trauma of some kind.
if you have recently stopped biting your nails then it is still going to be a while before the nails are anchored to the fingertip in the normal place [this is called the hyponichium].
when you bite the nail this join is erroded and moves further away from the tip and toward the base of the nail as it is damaged.
so it could be that because of the extra length you have now but the weakness of the recovering hyponichium, that there has been some leverage of the nail that has caused this lifting.[correct term is onycholisis]
my recomendation is to trim the nails a little shorter.
drop a little tea tree oil behind the nails every day to assist healing and reattachment and keep the bacteria out.
and apply cuticle oil as many times a day as possible to assist with growth of healthy new nails.
dont give up, my model that i use for professional photo shoots used to be a biter, but she has lovely nails now.
| LindaH |
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| 28/07/2009 17:18 |
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I love Dr Lewin's as does issi, it's worked wonders for me. Have at last got pretty nails and they don't split any more. Will now persevere with the oil.
| Thimble |
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| 28/07/2009 18:49 |
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angelfingers................may I just say on behalf of all the ladies here ............... Many thanks for all the expert advice you have given us free of charge. I am sure it has been of great benefit to everyone. Thank you.
One question...............is cuticle oil different to the hand cream I use (Clarins Hand and Nail Cream) that has a cuticle moisturiser as part of it? Also I use OPI Nail Envy daily to strengthen my nails as they were getting very brittle is this the best product I can use?
I have never had nail extensions, false nails or anything like this.
A question for all the ladies.................. which nail varnish have you found to be the best with regards to staying power, not chipping within 24 hours, going on nicely and not creating a bubble effect on the nails. I have tried so many and been disappointed with most of them.
| angelfingers |
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| 28/07/2009 21:39 |
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I am always happy to give advice. i feel its great to inform members of the public so they have the correct information on which to base nailcare decisions. so much of what we read about nails in magazines is either outdated information or just plain misinformation that writers gather up from dubious sources. it makes a better read to hear about nail salon problems than it does to hear about the thousands of satisfied well cared for clients that never get a mention.
cuticle oil is far more concentrated in nourishment terms than hand cream is. look for an oil that is botanically based as it is far more compatible with your skin and will be absorbed more. some oils are merely liquid parafin, so it will add moisture but only on the surface and not provide any deep nourishment. to get professional quality products that will be most effective, i recomend you buy at a good nail salon as they will retail top quality products that are not on general sale. keep on with the handcream as wellbut it is not a good substitute for cuticle oil which will give your nails deep down therapy if used regularly.
nail strengtheners can work in 2 ways.
one type hardens the nail with a chemical compound.
the other provides added layers to build up the resilience of the natural nail.
the first type should not be used long term as after a while they have a drying effect and will cause brittleness and breakage eventually. try using for a week in conjunction with a good cuticle oil then do a week of oil only. alternate in this way until they are stronger then carry on with oil alone.
the second types are generally just similar to polish. the more you apply the more strength there will be. it forms a sheild on the natural nail but doesnt change the nail itself.
a coat or 2 of clear [or coloured] polish on the nails will add a little strength and protect the nails to a certain degree from drying effects caused by handwashing etc. avoid removing the polish more than around once a week as the remover has a drying effect too. i think its better to stick with clear and add another coat later in the week to diguise any chipping.
i am not 100 % familiar with opi nail envys formula, but i can tell you that opi is a widely used brand amongst professionals .it has a good reputation for quality.
on the subject of nail polish.... some products are definately better than others, but its not so much what you use as the way that you use it. when a professional applies polish its after a good deal of preparation of the nail plate. this is essential to get the best possible results.
however, so much of the end result depends on the natural nail it is applied to. have you ever noticed how polish starts to chip on the tip area of the nail first ? thats because this is the part of the nail that moves the most and subsequently this shakes and cracks the polish on the nail. its a bit like an earthquake, it starts below the surface and the damage travels upwards.
if you have thin and bendy nails the polish will start to deteriorate much more quickly than if you have thick strong nails even when its been expertly applied.
sorry to go on, my posts are more like essays !
| Topcat |
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| 29/07/2009 13:53 |
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Thank you Angelfingers for taking the time to reply to my query. It was very re-assuring to understand what was going on with my nails.
Your comments are much appreciated.
| Anneh1957 |
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| 29/07/2009 14:44 |
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Have followed this discussion with interest, I have very sensitive nails, used to bite them but haven't done so for years now, do they ever really recover? I can't grow them very long as they just break. A particular problem with one thumbnail is that it's 'lumpy' - the half moon is raised and very white and pronounced, covers much more of the nail than it should, and the rest of the nail has lots of horizontal ridges and the odd yellow flaky bit! It looks as if I've damaged it by trapping it in a door or something, which I haven't. A beauty therapist told me it probably wouldn't grow back normally as it must be 'scarred'. Can nails get scarred, or is it the skin underneath that's damaged? I had hoped that as the nail grows it would get better. The rest of my nails aren't too bad now but this one is so awful I can't bear anyone to see it!
| angelfingers |
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| 29/07/2009 21:42 |
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Have followed this discussion with interest, I have very sensitive nails, used to bite them but haven't done so for years now, do they ever really recover? I can't grow them very long as they just break. A particular problem with one thumbnail is that it's 'lumpy' - the half moon is raised and very white and pronounced, covers much more of the nail than it should, and the rest of the nail has lots of horizontal ridges and the odd yellow flaky bit! It looks as if I've damaged it by trapping it in a door or something, which I haven't. A beauty therapist told me it probably wouldn't grow back normally as it must be 'scarred'. Can nails get scarred, or is it the skin underneath that's damaged? I had hoped that as the nail grows it would get better. The rest of my nails aren't too bad now but this one is so awful I can't bear anyone to see it!
the recovery is a long process. but even if you had never been a nailbiter, you may have had really thin weak nails anyway. mine are naturally like that and i have never bitten them.
the thumbnail does sound like it is permanently damaged.
this can often happen with biters especially those who have a nibble at the surrounding skin too. its also common in those that were long term thumbsuckers and can happen with accidental damage too. the nail itself is not 'scarred' as such but you have damage to the nail matrix.
the nail matrix lies behind the half moon [lunula] and below the surface of the skin a few millimetres. the matrix is where the cells transform into harder nail plate cells. the lunula is composed of not quite mature cells that are half way through the process. these 2 areas are very delicate and very easy to damage.
when the matrix gets damaged, it causes the nail to form differently and the damage is then permanent.
think of the matrix like a letterbox and the nail itself like an item of mail being posted through. if the letterbox has a dent or some other kind of damage, when the mail is pushed through, it tears the envelope and results in the mail being damaged when it reaches its final destination.
i keep my own weak nails smooth and prevent them from breaking with a gel overlay otherwise i would never be able to get them past my fingertips.
| Anneh1957 |
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| 30/07/2009 14:55 |
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Thank you so much for your reply. A bit depressing that I may be stuck with this but at least I know more about it now and can think about gel overlays perhaps.
(Why is my question in such a large font so big? I didn't make it that size!!)
| angelfingers |
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Thank you so much for your reply. A bit depressing that I may be stuck with this but at least I know more about it now and can think about gel overlays perhaps.
(Why is my question in such a large font so big? I didn't make it that size!!)
i dont know why that happened, it came up that way when i used the quote function. probably because you are VERY important
ooh look it did it again.
| wendy21709 |
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Hi
This is a late post, sorry! But do not have nail extensions, they really do ruin your nails. Eat lots and lots of sugar free jelly, and after a couple of weeks you will see the difference!!