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Help needed with this as it's driving me mad and threatening more and more the relationship with my partner. We have lived together for almost four years and my partners children (20, 18 and 16) live 150 miles away with his ex wife. The eldest is away at university but there in the holidays. He goes to visit them (or more specifically the youngest who has the most time for him), every third weekend, leaving Saturday morning and returning on Sunday evening. I know that it's not for long but each time he goes it gets harder and causes more trouble between us. My brain tells me he has to go but my heart screams out each time, why must he? The kids have very little interest in him, never phone or text or answer his texts. The youngest will still go out with him but only because she knows he'll spend money on her, the other two rarely do. I have tried to like them but the elder two will have nothing to do with me and the youngest after sending me vile and obscene texts behaves so badly in our house that I no longer can bear the thought of her near me. The thing is, how do I deal with this every time he goes. Obviously I'm not able to go with him as they would never want to be with me and I not with them either. I find it easier if we keep contact to a minimum while he's there, just a few texts is fine as just not knowing what he's doing with them is easier, I can try to put it out of my head then. He also says that if I do anything nice this end, ie. a meal with my kids or taking myself out somewhere, he then finds that hard to deal with so I think we're better off both not knowing but he says he hates that and wants more contact. Any ideas on how others have dealt with this would be so welcome as I'm getting so desperate I'm considering counselling before it becomes any worse. He's away on Sunday till the following Friday on a trip for work and I have no problems with that whatsoever as it's nothing to do with his kids. I just begrudge every minute he spends with them and every penny he spends on them, that makes me sound a terrible person but truly normally I'm not, just when it comes to his children. |
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Hi Ladyhawke, I was just wondering what has sparked such animosity from them - were you the other woman? Does their mother bad mouth you? Its a shame that the children have been caught up in what sounds like a nasty split. They must feel very hurt and possibly abandoned. Although the children are older now - they were at very impressionable ages when their dad left - probably the worst time when teenagers are trying to find where they stand and all the angst that goes with it. Blaming you probably eases the pain they feel about their father. Why do you begrudge the time and money spent on them - your partner is their father and they deserve this time and a bit of spoiling. It is only one weekend in three and he is seeing his children - not off on a jolly with his mates where anything could happen. I think you need to relax about it and do use the time to have fun with your own friends and family. |
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Hi I have three children of my own and three stepchildren. The steppies live with us full time every other week (alternate with their Mum) and have been doing so for the last four years. Before this, OH had his own house and he would live in it with his kids one week and then come and live with me and my kids the other week. I used to hate it when every other Friday he left to go and live with his kids (even though we always spent the weekends together) and used to feel jealous of the time he spent with them. This is one of the reasons why we decided to sell our individual houses and buy a bigger one to accommodate all the children. Mind you, us all living together poses different problems, the only arguements OH and I have are over the children, we try and treat them all fairly but invariably I tend to side with my three and he does with his three. I found that he is a lot more intolerable about my kids (particulary my daughter) but think it is probably because my kids live with us full time. I guess the fact that his children live so far away does not give you all a chance to get to know each other, I think OH and I were both fortunate that our first marriages had already ended before we met each other so the children have never resented us being together, was this the case with you and your OH, maybe that is why there is so animosity between you all. Do your children live with you ? Kim xxx |
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As Skippy said - do they blame you for the split? When you choose a partner who's had a previous relationship you have to be aware that you're also taking on that relationship whether it's his children, if he wants to remain friends with friends of his ex (or his ex) or the ex in-laws etc. It's part and parcel of his life and all you can do is accept it. If you make it difficult for him to continue to see his children by causing ill feeling every time he goes to visit you're going to be the one who will ultimately suffer as you certainly can't ask him not to see them. To me it sounds as though you may be jealous of the time he spends with them but you do have to find a way to deal with it. Children are very perceptive - are they being a problem when they visit your home because they know you don't want them there? Are they cold towards your OH because of your attitude towards them (or perhaps it's just teenagers being teenagers)? I think that counselling may be a good idea as if you don't deal with your feelings it's going to damage your relationship (hopefully it hasn't got to that stage already). |
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Just another thought - if you met a man who had walked away from his children and not looked back what would you think of him? Your husband is doing his best in difficult circumstances and you should be proud of him. Jealousy will ruin your relationshipif you are not carefull. Councelling may be a good idea, best wishes. |
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what a tricky one for you. my OH and i have been together nearly 10 years now, he has four girls i have a son and a daughter, he had custody, we all lived together in one house. It was hardly ever like the waltons! more like a cross between the osbornes and the simpsons families! sometimes it was Great, mostly just ok, and often hellish. at one point we had 6 teenagers, there were times when i could have walked, but i didn't I appreciate your situation is not the same. One of the most worrying things for me was the strength of the emotions i felt it was quite scary, i consider myself easy going, friendly, but i nearly turned into a screaming fishwife, filled with envy and jealousy, so i know how scary it is. i have a couple of thoughts, so bare with me, why do you not go with your partner, you are an important part of his life and you should be included in some of these visits, your partner maybe needs to stand up for you and tell his children that you are essential to his wellbeing. The children are not small and maybe they need to make a bit of effort too for their dad and you. he could ask them, and tell them the horrid texts are not acceptable behaviour. Maybe invite them to visit you for them to see you as a couple, and put on a united front. Our family is nearly all grown up now and luckily for us we all get on, it was hellish but remember that the primary relationship in the family is that of you and your partner, if that goes pear-shaped, then the fall out from that would be felt by everyone . I would enjoy the time with your children when he is away, dont feel guilty for this, thats just how it is. it seems a long way away, but one day they will have all grown up, left home and lead busy lives. we hardly ever hear from our 6 children, so i guess they are gettin on with it! until they need something.! As my mum would say dont sweat the small stuff. Good luck with everything,thinking of you X |
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FWIW, I agree with all of the above (especially the point about what possible regard or respect could one have for a parent who walked out of their children's lives). Surely the bottom line is this - as adults we choose our partners. But children don't get to choose their parents. They have to put up with what they get. They seldom ask their parents to divorce (though yes it can happen), and children simply want a happy childhood with happy parents. I do wonder what is behind the resentment and the jealousy of your partner's children that does, sadly, come through? Yes, they may well be difficult - teenagers often are, even from homes that haven't been broken up as your stepchildren's have - but they are, after all, children. That doesn't mean they don't have to learn how to treat others with respect and consideration (providing, of course - and this is a leading question, as I don't know the circumstances of why their biolgoical parents aren't together - those others are worthy of respect nd consideration)(see 'walking out on your children' above for why possibly not!!) I also don't really see why your partner is jealous and resentful if you, very naturally, spend the time he is away with his children, on your children! Good heavens, surely it's the perfect solution to an imperfect situation (ie, that you are both on second time around marriages which I'm sure, given a free choice, you would prefer not to have been the way your life has worked out, even though hopefully it's now a happy ending for you together). I'm assuming your children are not his, so in which case, I would also assume (perhaps wrongly) that they would be pleased to have time when they have you to themselves exclusively, and not have to share you with their stepfather. Even if they are your mutual children, what's wrong with you spending time with them without your partner? Lots of wives have to put up with their partners being away a lot of the time at work, and we mostly just get on and enjoy other things in the meantime. Forgive me if I'm picking up entirely the wrong theme here, but I wonder if the pair of you are wishing and wishing that all the various 'steppies' simply didn't exist, that you and he were a first-time-around couple, and that you could both respectively write your children out of your lives as you could your exes??? I'm sorry if this sounds very critical, when you came here for help and support, and I freely admit I have no experience of complicated extended families myelf, only via friends, but from the outside it sounds a bit of a fuss about not much. Whether his children show they need him or not, he has a 'duty of care' towards them, and him simply not bothering to go and see them as he now does would be unacceptable. Remember above all, they didn't ask to have their parents split up - it isn't their fault what happened, nor what the situation is now, however difficult it is for you and your partner. But they do, though, owe a duty of politeness and consideration and respect to those who deserve it, or they will grow up to be not very pleasant people themselves. If you really, really can't bear him spending any time (let alone his money) (other than their maintenance) on his children, at least you only have two more years to put up with it until his youngest is l8, and then his duty has been discharged. Again, I'm sorry if this sounds very unsympathetic, but from the outside it's difficult to understand just why it is so difficult to endure his absence one weekend in three, and for him to let you get on with occupying that absence in a positive and enjoyable way yourself that is beneficial to your children. Life is never perfect for anyone, and some people do, yes, get a rawer deal than others. But after what must have been difficult first marriages for the both of you, you now have each other, in a relationship that is not new, but stood the test of four years, and sometimes we just have to accept the 'downsides' of whatever we are landed with, with as good grace as possible. All the best anyway, and I would definitely say that if counselling can help you to achieve the emotional resolution you need about this issue, then absolutely go for it! (Maybe your partner would benefit too, as he too seems to have issues on this as well?) Julie. |
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Thinking about it a bit more, I wonder if what I'm picking up as the root of the problem is this - that you are being very protective of your partner. That maybe you feel he's being exploited and manipulated and undervalued by his children, and that it is that that you resent, not his actual absence? That you want to protect him from that? And that you see the best way of him getting that protection is simply not to go and see them? Sometimes these situations tie themselves in tighter and tighter knots, and we just don't seem to be able to cut our way out. That's why I think counselling might really help - to expose what is 'going on' in your heart as well as your brain (as you say!), and if there is a way to unravel the knots, or, if not that, then at least loosen their grip on your life which is, as you say, very destructive and tormented at the moment. Julie. PS - BTW, if you're feeling that no one but a fellow stepparent can understand the situation (which may be perfectly true!) I have, sometime ago, come across a forum that is specifically for issues surrounding stepparenting. If I can find a reference I'll post it. As I say, I'm conscious I've sounded quite unsympathetic, and that may well be simply because I don't have personal experience of the 'knottiness' of complicated extended families. All the best, all the same. J |
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This has to be quick as my OH is on his way home, but I think Julie has it in a nutshell. I know that he hates the weekends away just by how stressed he gets a few days before he goes. I know a lot of the things his kids do annoy him and I also know that he hates having to see his ex. Also his parents live near and he stays with them while he's visiting and they also make his life very difficult, they have never accepted me or any other of their daughter in laws for instance. I get very annoyed when his kids don't remember his birthday or barely acknowledge it and when Christmas etc. pass with just a token box of chocolates which his ex has obviously bought for them to give him. My own kids despite not being over fond of him always put thought and time into his presents and I know how it hurts him when his don't bother. I love spending time with my children when he's away but he's jealous of this and I think that's why he finds it hard if they and I do things together when he's not here. And yes, they do live with us and it's ok but they have had a far stricter upbringing than his and therefore are better behaved. Must dash now but your comments have helped enormously, thank you. |
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Ladyhawke just another thought from a total outsider (if you come back) I just wanted to say - It was never going to be easy and I can understand why you feel as you do and likewise your OH but you are both the adults here - getting jealous when you go out with your children, resenting the time he spends with his? When you boil it down, whatever the reasons you know you have to be the grown ups. None of these children asked to be born or to be put in this situation. Sorry if that sounds harsh but this is the reality of life with with stepchildren. I'm not judging - my children have a step-father so I've made my share of mistakes too but look at it this way - things will not change until they've all grown and left home. Then you will be looking back and asking if you had both done everything you could to make their lives within broken families as happy as they could be. Childhood is precious, no one gets a second chance. I hope it all works out for you x |
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Just to say that my husband didnt have any choice at all when youngest and disabled son turned up here after 7 years living with his Dad. They simply got rid of him. My husband took him on because he is my son and part of me but it isnt easy any day. The boy was ina trerible state. I think counselling is a great idea because it helps you to unravel things a bit, lots of very big knots sometimes! Very best wishes and i hope things work out xx |
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Hi, I can only sympathise I was a stepdaughter myself, I have been divorced twice and two of my children are step children and I have also been a stepmother to two different families but the relationships broke up and sadly I no longer have any contact with my three step daughters. So possibly I have seen all sides. Being a step parent or a step child is like being permanently trapped in an episode of Wife Swap or on a French Exchange but you can't go home after only two weeks. Linked to that unlike Wife Swap there is guilt and blame on all sides particularly if the stepchildren blame the step parent for the break up. Even worse if the children like you, perhaps because you are an all round more competent person than their own mother then they can feel guilty. There are three things to keep in mind the first is that the children, no matter how bad their conduct is are blameless. They did not ask for you to come into their lives nor did they ask for all of the possible pain, bewilderment, hurt, grief, embarrassment, financial hardship and discomfort that the break up of their parents has caused them. Even if you were blameless in relationship to their parents break up there is no reason for them to like you other than to please their parent. Secondly the other thing to remember is that every family has its own unique micro culture they way that they do things and it is different at every level, what they eat, how they discipline, how they care and show physical affection,, celebrating, valuing education, spending and saving, the TV programmes they watch, how tidy the house is, how religious and so on. So young people with a step parent are having to adapt to a new strange family culture and possibly new weird step brothers and sisters in what should be the place where they feel most relaxed and comfortable - their home. As a result the children of divorced parents often grow up to be both very adaptable and at another level they quickly learn that what they really think and feel doesn't matter much to their parent. This is the basis of "children are very adaptable and resilient" the platitude which most adults trot out whenever a child has been affected by divorce or bereavement. As an example you mention that you take a lot of trouble with birthdays whereas your step children don't. My children don't either, as a family we don't really make a huge effort around birthdays but show our love in other ways that's the culture which my children have got used to. You need to be sure that when you get angry about the way your step children behave that actually you are not feeling that your home culture is the superior one. The third thing to remember is that you have to build the relationship very slowly, kindly and tactfully. With young step children it takes at least five years for a family to blend and that's when they live with you. If the children are older at the time of thebreakup and don't live with you, you may never blend or always feel awkward when you're together. You are the adult so you have to be emotionally controlled and as kind as you can be. Don't expect anything and don't set your own children up as paragons of perfection. Your partner is doing the right thing trying to keep a relationship going with his children though it is really tough for him. So I know that at the time you fell in love with your partner you didn't know any of this so don't beat yourself up. Instead resolve to be understanding of yourself and your motives and supportive of your partner's desire to keep a relationship with his children. Take the advice of others and if you can have counselling for support. Partners come and go but your children are for ever |
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Just to say that my Husband is always polite to my son, and very kind, though of course very frustrated at times. Because my son has a learning disability life can be very difficult for all of us. My Husband is just himself and only ask that my son is polite to him.This boundary works.I think Counsellling is a good idea for the children also, it can be a minefield for them, and very confusing being in different place with different house rules. I hope very much that things work out for you.Life is a gift, isnt it and is to belived the best way we can. Choosing a partner who already has children will never be easy but it can be worked at ! |
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Meadowlass - that is a fantastic post- thankyou! You should write it as an article in Woman and Home. Wise, sensible and yet cautiously optimistic. Hope things work out for you personally. Julie. PS - I particularly liked your comment: "they quickly learn that what they really think and feel doesn't matter much to their parent. This is the basis of "children are very adaptable and resilient" the platitude which most adults trot out whenever a child has been affected by divorce or bereavement. " |