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What would you do - update
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Over the past few weeks OH and I have done a lot of talking and I'm now certain nothing untoward was ever happening with the woman he works with. He's said he didn't tell me the whole story before because he thought it was something he could deal with on his own but now knows it's not (being a man it didn't occur to him that only telling me half a story was worse than none at all!) and needs advice hence I'm calling on all my forum friends (again - sorry ladies).
The woman concerned is recently divorced from a marriage that was by all accounts dead from her point of view for some years, financial settlement still to be decided by courts and her ex still resident because she won't agree to selling the house and splitting the procedes (children are over compulsory school age). My OH believes she has a drink problem, he knows for certain she's been driving over the limit on more than one occasion and is drinking far more than the one or two glasses she says - lips stained with red wine, not remembering conversations or even that he visited the next day etc but no hangover. Recently after drinking she was arrested for criminal damange against her ex's new OH's property (struggled and fought against the police and spent a night in a cell). She goes to magistrates court for the criminal damage case next week and doesn't want to contact her solicitor for legal advice. OH says she ought to at least tell her solicitor in case her ex uses it in the financial hearing but she refuses. She also has growing debts. On top of this she is missing work because she can't face going in (if she doesn't work she doesn't get paid).
OH has been trying to talk sense but is exasperated (he told her at the weekend that if she was one of his male friends he'd most likely have thumped her for her behaviour by now and that's most unlike him). He even contacted AA for advice this week but of course they can't really offer any help unless she goes to them (she says several relatives have drink problems so there's alchoholism in the family already).
My OH's frightened to cut off all contact (although very tempted) because he thinks she may be suicidal, certainly very depresssed and on anti-depressants. He thinks that she's going down one of three routes - suicide, driving ban (or prison if she drives into someone while drunk) or ending up living in a cardboard box! If he gets through a couple of days without a hysterical phone call it's unusual.
I think he's been a prize p**t to let himself get relied on so much for emotional support but can understand why he did.
So here's the question... Does anyone know who he can refer to for free advice or have any ideas of how to make her realise what she's doing to herself and her family please?
Many thanks, C
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Re: What would you do - update
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All I can say Chrissi, if what your OH says is true, then you have one hell of a good husband there. There are not many men that would give that much time to a colleague who is as messed up as she is, most men would run at the complexity of it all!
It sounds to me that its going to take a while before she stops going on the downward run, and begins to pull herself up again. I would think a trip to the doctors might be in order to try and get her back on some sort of straight and narrow.
Its a tough one Chrissi, but its good that you know now whats going on and he has been honest with you. Sounds like a special guy your OH.
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My OH often moans that everyone turns to him for help and when he needs help he's on his own but that's because he will never ask! He's a very good listener and does see things very clearly. He helped a very good friend of mine through her divorce a few years ago (very difficult for him as her ex was also a close friend so a real balancing act not to take sides) which is probably why he thought he'd be able to help this time around. I knew if I kept calm and waited I'd get the full story of what was going on but now he's turned to me for help I'm at a bit of a loss.
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issi
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25/09/2008 14:25
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Re: What would you do - update
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I think the first step for the woman is to see her GP and go onto some kind of medication (I am thinking Prozac). She literally needs her mood lifting by the sound of it. Her behaviour is self-destructive and seems to be a cry, no a scream, for help but she needs to see that she has to help herself too, and that can only happen if she feels better in herself. If your OH feels some kind of responsibility for her then he could find out who her GP is and phone him and tell him the situation. The next stage is to get her to go to him. Once she is in the GP's hands surely they will have some kind of support workers who could help her.
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Re: What would you do - update
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OH thinks she's buried her head in the sand and thinks if she doesn't acknowledge her problems they're not there. Her anti-depressants clearly aren't working so I'll suggest he gets her to go back to her GP (presumably if she's on medication she's supposed to have regular checks anyway).
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It might be time for a bit of tough love here - and tell her that he can no longer support her unless she is willing to seek advice/help. How would he feel if god forbid she hit someone when driving. Sadly the more supportive he is of her the more he ends up colluding with her to avoid seeking help. I do sound very harsh I know but he runs the risk of bringing himself down and these are HER problems which SHE needs to sort out. He does sound like an angel though and I know that I do sound very hard I wish there were an easy way out.
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kate1
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25/09/2008 16:43
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Re: What would you do - update
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he does sound a such a nice man, but in getting involved, he has to recognise what he can and can't help with, and where his responsibility ends. It sounds as if he's got himself in far, far too deep here.......suggest ways to seek help for her, but along with that he needs to take several steps back from this. Or it will affect his lefe more than he bargained for! She is making too many demands emotionally!
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KatieG
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25/09/2008 16:44
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I would be very careful of this situation. The reliance may never end and you could be tied into this relationship and a guilt trip if you want to break it. In the long run it can only bring pressure to your own relationship
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Re: What would you do - update
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OH's told one of his colleagues about the 'problem' in absolute confidence today (think that means everyone will know tomorrow). He's going to try to persuade her to see her doctor and is thinking about seeing her eldest child (18) who knows what the situation is and suggesting getting rid of all the alchohol in the house.
I've told OH what you've all said today and he agrees that he has to step back otherwise the calls will get more and more frequent. Now he's told someone else at work they'll keep an eye on her too so that should help (it's someone else she trusts).
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the fact that someone else will be able to help from work will be a huge help for your OH.
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I agree with Lynn123 on this. in particular if he knows that she drink drives. It might help to make the break if he explains that he will have to report her drink driving - it may wake her up to her problem?
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I wouldn't be happy with my OH geting involved so deeply in another woman's emotional needs unless we were both supporting her. I would be wary. is there a female colleague he could bring on board to help as well?
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Acorncup, she's the only female in the company and most of the time is treated like (and behaves like) one of the 'lads' although she's quite a bit older than all of them (including my OH). Think she talks to OH more simply because he listens and doesn't tell her what to do although that changed this week and he's told her she has to sort herself before she ends up in serious trouble (think him giving her a lecture shocked her). OH now talks to me about what's been said each time she phones as he's now realised he can't deal with this on his own. I'm hoping that being told how bad things are looking by someone she trusts will start to wake her up. Her children and family have also told her to pull herself together...
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It might be a good idea for your OH to arrange to meet with her Manager as if this is affecting her work it should concern him. Perhaps if her Manager talks to her it will make her face up to what is happening as it makes it more real that she could end up losing her job. Also, if she has a company car she could lose that if she is found drinking and driving and she could be over the limit at work which in most companies would mean suspension. If she is drinking even if she is taking antidepressents they will not be working as you are not supposed to drink whilst taking them. In the past I have managed a number of people and her manager should really have noticed something is wrong and have already been speaking with her to help her. In most companies she would be entitled to 6 sessions of free counselling for example, there is help out there for her she just needs to be made to see she needs it.
I agree with the other ladies in that she is relying on your OH and this will not lessen as her need will become greater as time goes on unless something is done.
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Re: What would you do - update
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It's a very small company so no free counselling and as she's self-employed no paid time off but when she's at work she's mostly normal although the boss did notice a problem last week and had words (that resulted in her not turning up). She does have to drive to get to work, get to a shop etc so OH has emphasised that she'd be 'stuffed' without a licence. I thought anti-d's wouldn't work properly with alchohol so it explains why when she's not been drinking for a few days she seems normal but when she has she gets worse and worse.
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issi
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26/09/2008 10:34
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Re: What would you do - update
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How awful to have to be doing this woman's thinking for her but, is there a way Alcoholics Anonymous can help? Or even some department from the Police? Could she be taken to see someone who has lost a relative through a drink-drive accident? She may well see that there are people worse off than herself. She is suffering terribly but no-one can make her feel better. She has to start that process herself.
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We've spoken to AA but they say it has to come from her. She's seen the damage alchohol can do as has relations with problems and when she's not drinking is fine but when she does all common sense goes out the window. I get the impression from something her ex has said that this isn't a recent change. If it happens again OH is going to explain in great detail where she's going to end up and tell her that so far as he's concerned it's one last chance and if it happens again there's no point calling on him - he thought her night in police cells would have woken her up but it didn't so maybe knowing there will be no one to stop her doing whatever she implies she's intending will help. He's not going to be emotionally blackmailed into continuing to support her in case she tries suicide - I had a friend long ago who attempted to take her own life and when I asked why was told that everything got too much and I wasn't there for her to talk to. I ran from that friendship so fast and OH knows about this and says I did the right thing.
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issi
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26/09/2008 11:36
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Re: What would you do - update
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A friend of mine left her abusive husband around 20 years ago. He remarried eventually but around 5 years ago he committed suicide. In his note he blamed my friend, who had not had any contact with him over the years. This is just to illustrate that if someone does take their own life it cannot be put onto someone else's shoulders, no matter what they might say.
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