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Hi all. My daughter has just graduated in May and returned home to live after 3 years away. She got a very good degree but has no idea what to do with it. She went on holiday in June and has come back and I think is fed up with life here again with us and not having the freedom she had at university. She is moody and doesnt seem to know what to do, lazing around in her dressing gown til lunchtime. There have been a few arguments but I am trying, unsuccessfuly I have to admit, to bite my tongue. Has anyone else experienced this and if so, how long does it go on for. My husband and I never think alike when disciplining them as children so mine have grown up to view me as an "ogre" and him as "dear old dad". Any advice welcome ! Thanks. |
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Has she visited a careers fair? or has she visited the career advice department at her uni? What are her interests? What is her degree in? She needs to start looking for a job and get some routine in her life. Is she coming down to earth and realising that student life has finished and her student loan needs to be repaid? The fact she is so moody makes me think that she realises this. My daughter compromised and took a part time job while looking for a 'proper' job. Although the part time was not her dream job she gained valuable skills and her boss was someone else to put down as a referee. It is not an easy time, but she will come out the other side. I know there will be lots more advice for you. Foxie ps welcome to the forum! |
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She said they didnt have a careers fair at her uni. I found it hard to believe but its possible. It wasnt one of the major players. Her degree is Communication Studies. She has a part time job waitressing, has had it all through her uni years and before that, so she is earning something but I dont want her drifting into staying there longterm. Its hard to strike a balance of not being pushy but galvanising her into action. She has also talked about going travelling. I feel she doesnt know what she wants but any advice is not well received. Thanks for your answer. |
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My son took some time to find out what he wanted to do. Some one said to me that you have to go down some roads to find they are cul de sacs and I find that to be true in my life too. I have 'friends' whose children seem to go from strength to strength and left uni and straight into a career - onwards and upwards. It hasn't been like that for either of my children, some children just take more time to settle down. Can you and your daughter have a 'girly' day out (without your OH) and when you are sitting somewhere neutral enjoying lunch have a chat with her. Ask how she is feeling and say you have noticed that she hasn't been her usual cheery self and see what happens. Say you love her and that you want to help. Say that looking for a job is almost a job in itself. |
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Hi , It's not long since your daughter graduated and it's a major turning point in her life - until now, she's had a purpose, her friends around her, educational and social activities . Suddenly all that is gone and she may be feeling at a bit of a loss and a bit depressed. I think the idea of a girly day out is a good one - it might help her to explore how she feels and what she would like to do in a more relaxed way. Is there an exercise or sport you could do together on a regular basis - swimming, or going to the gym - it could help with her moods and motivation. hIt's not really a matter of discipline now, is it - after all she's grown up.Whowever, you could point out that now she's an adult, she needs to play an adult's part in the household, so how about drawing up a rota for who does what - she must have been used to something like that with her flat mates at uni. Even if she gets a less good job than she's qualified for, she needs something a bit more than waitressing - if only for some money! Can you help her look? Good luck - I hope she finds something she wants to do soon. |
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Been there, still there, it seems to take them ages to decide what they want, my daughter has a degree in psychology and has spent the last four years deciding what she wants to do, give her her due she has always temped and some of those jobs are more interesting than others and they meet people who give them leads, good luck PM if you like and we can talk more! |
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We also had some ups and down when my son graduated as a Manufacturing Engineer. After 3 months of searching the internet for jobs he got 4 interviews at once always the way. Try and encourage her to get on the computer.He then spent 2 years working in engineering, and living away from home. Then jacked his job in, returned home, and started looking for something in the area, and ending up with something completely different, in Finance. He is now waiting the results of his final exam to be a Chartered Account! Hey Ho. Try not to panic too much, they get there in the end. |
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Thanks for your comment. I didnt mean I try to discipline her now. Far from it !!! All I meant was that, in the past, I took that route while dad took the easy route. Having chatted to my female friends, I find that's not so unusual. I've noticed that she does her own washing etc now and also puts her dirty crocks in the dishwasher - something she didnt do before - so thats a result !! Hopefully it will sort itself out but it is a worry. Thanks for your comment. To all the other ladies who have replied - thanks. Its nice to know I am not alone in this ! Really all you want is what is best for them and not to see them mess up after working so hard to get her degree in the first place.. We do have "girly" days and recently I paid for her and my other daughter to have a girly day together. |
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Hi, I'm in the same boat really. D. has returned home as a post grad. and has decided to do a Masters next year, partly I feel because she couldnt think of what else to do. she was too late in applying for some of the other things that interested her. I find that in some ways she resents me sticking my nose in her life, but on a deeper level she is afraid because she does not know what the future holds and she has no real direction.I took her moodiness as being too grown up,to put up with Mum, but when I pushed her to talk about her plans, the tears started and it turned out she was resisting me because she was scared and didnt know which way to turn.She may be 21 but she still needs some help and now she is ready to accept it. After she returns from holiday and graduation we are going to sit down together and look at the various options. Just because you have a degree it doesn't mean you are "grown up"! Like your daughter Oscar, she misses her friends and a certain level of independence, I am prepared to be the "harder" parent, Dad just pays the bills, but I am there to guide and support her. Joan. |
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Thank you so much for your post. It sounds EXACTLY the same. Mine thought she'd do a PGCE, failed the maths test and didnt have a Plan B. Now she is scared I think, like yours, and wont admit it. she'll take advice from "friends" who dont have her best interests at heart, but not from me. Its like walking on eggshells. Thanks so much for what you said. Its nice to know its not just happening in this house ! |
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Hi Oscar I've got a son just like your daughter and will be interested to see what advice comes your way. It seems from the replies so far that we're not alone. My son is a bit further down the line than your daughter because he graduated in 2006 with a good degree in sociology from one of the red brick universities and has stacked shelves in a supermarket since he came home. He knows exactly what he doesn't want to do career wise but that's as far as it goes. He went to several careers fairs and to the careers service for advice, but was none the wiser for doing so. When he came home we told him that we didn't mind what he did in the short-term so long as he did something - and two years on he's no further forward than shelf stacking so perhaps this wasn't the most sensible approach for us to take. I keep telling myself that's he's got plenty of time to sort himself out, but the longer time goes on the harder it will be for him. He realises that this will be the case but at the moment he's in the comfort zone in so far as his hours are perfect in that they allow him to stay in bed until mid-morning - no getting up at 6.30am like his sister and my OH. The job he does is stress free, he earns enough for him to pay us rent, contribute towards the running of the car he uses, save a bit and socialise to his hearts content so there's no great impetus for him to move on. Like your daughter he needs help but doesn't know where to get it from. My other two children (both girls) also found the university careers service sadly lacking, and I know that they would have been far more pro-active in asking for guidance than their brother and would not have given up at the first attempt. The eldest completed a PGCE after her english degree but decided that teaching wasn't for her and actually worked as a Medical Secretary when she came home after travelling for 6 months. She'd done this during the university holidays via an agency and the hospital was more than happy to have her back on a permanent basis. She stayed for about 6 months then transferred to another hospital about 50 miles away because she had the offer of a flat with an old school friend. Like your daughter she didn't know where her long-term future lay (although like her brother she knew what she didn't want to do) and it took her about 18 months to decide that she'd be happy in some sort of administrative role in local government. She's now settled into a good job which she loves with a local authority and is living with her boyfriend, so although it took her sometime to find her niche she did get there in the end. My other daughter who did a sociology degree and was very focussed in searching for a job spent the last few months of her time at university applying for graduate positions with recruitment agencies and was due to start on a graduate training scheme with one of the big companies based in London in the October. She came back home to live in the meantime and through a friend found a job with a local charitable organisation who needed some short term help whilst they reorganised their human resource department. She loved it from day one and realised that being a recruitment consultant wasn't what she wanted at all. When her temporary contract came to an end she was offered a full time position which she accepted and since then she has had several promotions and will complete her CIPD this year. In her case she fell into a job she loves by accident and doesn't see herself moving away from working in human resource management. I wish something similar would happen for my son but this doesn't seem very likely at the moment |
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Thanks very much. I have 2 girls. The eldest was like yours and she graduated and knew exactly what she wanted to do - she works in the fashion industry. She now lives in Australia with her boyfriend and intends to come back next year but still to work in fashion. She was, and is, so much more mature than the younger one that I wrote about earlier. This one seems like a 15 year old, not helped by the fact that she is little and looks far younger than her years anyway. I just hope she does what your girls did, and finds her niche if only by accident. Many thanks. x |
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Mine's big and looks older than her 21 years. but still so much less mature than her 19 year old sister who knows just where she wants to go. mine is not self motivated yet, but it's a tough world out there so I feel it is my maternal duty to prod her and find out what she wants then help her to get it even if it seems like " hand holding" to others.I don't think in this day and age she can afford to just spend valuable years waiting for inspiration. Maybe then it will be too late. J. |
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No thats how I feel. While they wait for inspiration, others are leaping into what is available. Anyway, she is working today at her part time job, so I suppose it's something. It's funny how we bring them up in the same way and they all turn out so differently. Am sure I am not the first to make that profound statement !! |
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Hi Oscar 11. I know how you feel. But, how many of us went into a job because "it is what I want", or "I love it" or "I enjoy it". None of us. Life is hard. Reality hits. Your child has to get a job in order to earn money and then take control of their life. Anything else is (excuse me) bull...t. My own daughter is at this moment sunning herself in Ibiza so I know what I am talking about, but I saw this coming and from an early age in school I encouraged her to talk about what she wanted to do. She is going to be a journalist and has done so much towards it that it has made me see that if someone wanted to start at her age (22) they have a long way to go to catch up with the amount of things she has done. Whether she get there is amost irrelevant. The point is that every break she has had from school, university, or being just the princess at home, she has done some work towards the goal. I would suggest that anyone who waits to find out what they 'want' to do will do nothing. Make them go out there and do a worthwhile job. Then they will find out what they really want. |
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Hi Oscar 11, No one told us about this stage did they? As far as I can remember once son/daughter at uni that was suppose to be the hard bit over. If only. Just like you daughter did her degree and got a good grade but at the end of three years returned to think about the future!! Isn't that what they went to uni for. She returned home, the same home that for three years she swore she wouldn't live in again. Not that she wasn't welcome its just that I thought that all our lives had moved on. Once home did as you described lazing around so used the money thing and once she realised no loan due in her bank account she started looking properly. As she wanted money she found a temporary job but it wasn't what she went to uni for. Eventually found something that appealed nearby. Part of me was glad but the part of me that still had chaos around ie phone ringing late at night, music loud , arguing with her brother and generally being quite rude. Of course DADDY saw none of this it was all my fault. Worse part was getting a boyfriend who's own father said she was too good for him so that says it all. Eventually met lovely guy changed jobs again and moved in together. Now the house is quiet, the phone doesn't ring as much and the brother doesn't roar with laughter at her. Trust me Oscar your daughter has kept everything together for three years and I honestly think that they enjoy coming back home and reverting to the little girl stage. She is scared that the future is there waiting for her and she has no idea what to do. Let her slob for awhile then with love she will realise that she has both parents support with whatever she decides. Trust me she will also realise that Daddy has faults as well as mums. Sue |
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Perhaps your daughter should consider temping? It will give her experience of a real job (as a graduate, indicating on a cv that her only work experience is waitressing won't get her very far) and some real money so that she could perhaps flat share. In my experience (having worked with a variety of uni's) those with a lower status tended to do more about careers fairs than the traditional uni's but possibly not in careers with the same degree of glamour or status. Perhaps the need for money will prompt her to look for proper employment - do you ask for a donation for her "keep"? When I lived at home and had left education I was always expected to donate to the household expenses (even if I worked part time). It certainly spurred me on to find a well paid job as "keep" was a fixed weekly rate so the more I earnt the more I had for myself. One thing I do know is that the longer she doesn't have a proper job the harder it will be to get one as employers do take notice of how long a graduate leaves between leaving education and taking a job (one of my team at the moment took a full-time shop job after leaving uni until he could get the sort of job he was qualified for just so that there wasn't a big gap in his cv). The job centre have staff who can offer career guidance (the are used to unemployed graduates and post grads these days) so maybe suggest she makes an appointment as the longer she leaves it the harder it will get (and depression could set in). |
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I've always said that the easiest bit with kids, generally, is making them and then it is downhill all the way! Just because they have a degree doesn't mean that they know what they want to do with their lives or worse still, that they will get a job. There are so many kids with degrees nowadays, to be honest, they are worthless. Wait for the potential employers asking for experience. My 2 knew what they wanted to do but had a hell of a job finding a job and it took them 12 months each. Even so, ES had to accept one job, get known and then side step. I had ES home originally for about 6 months. He never got out of bed. The 2 days he eventually got up at 6 pm, really got to me though. Unbeknown to me, he was emailing and on the phone to his girlfriend (whom we knew nothing about) in Australia! Guess who was paying the bill. As it happens she then came over and they have been together about 8 years now and have a beautiful baby boy. It will get better. It won't get cheaper. It will take time. So just hang in there. We've all been through it. |
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This is a problem lots of families share and it frustrates me that so much talent is going untapped and there are so many unfulfilled graduates. I work in recruitment and I talked to my employer about us potentially offering a 'Student Coaching Service'. I know (because I have two sons in their early 20s)that lots of young people go through the uni years without any advice about what they would like to do at the end of their degree. My idea is that we offer a service to students around their 2nd year at uni,which is when they should start planning and getting some relevant work experience on their CV. We could talk to them about their interests, explain the various work functions i.e. what does a HR Manager do?, offer them some psychometric testing etc. and try to give them a focus going forward. The problem with my idea is who pays for the service? The cost would probably fall on the parents and not all are in a position to pay. We are a business after all so need to charge enough for our services to make it worthwhile. I would welcome all your thoughts. |