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I got so much help from you ladies in my recent post(especially from one lady who has sent very helpful PM's)but unfortunately things are much worse than I'd thought as I've found out my husband is having an affair.At first he denied it but I had proof so he had to admit it. When I found out who she was I could have literally died. She is the woman he had an affair with 20 years ago which ended his first marriage, and in effect lost him his kids. He says he has always loved her and that his feelings for me have dwindled and since then I have gone through every emotion in the book: grief, anger, the lot but eventually I got my head together and realised that he, like me, was in the depths of despair about the state of our relationship and this tart had caught him when he was at his lowest ebb with the oldest trick in the book: Friends Reunited. He looked so desperately sad on Saturday that (and please don't think I am soft for doing this because truly I'm not) I held out the Olive branch to him. The result was we had a good talk and actually a better evening than we have had for a while. We went out for lunch yesterday and had a really good time. I pointed out where we had gone wrong, how easy it would be to put things right and he accepted all of this. I had summoned up every iota of strength I ever had and told him point blank that there was nothing she had that I hadn't and that if he had been with her for 13 years and was in a rut with her and then I turned up out of the blue he would feel exactly the same for me as he does now for her. Most importantly, I told him that I could understand why he did it and that it could easily have been me as there is a similar person in my past that I have always thought of when things were going bad. So basically, things were going well, then we came home and everything for some reason, took a nosedive. Maybe I was expecting too much and as he still hadn't really said what he intended to do, all of my confidence drained away and the old anger came back. He is not a bad person, in fact he is the sort of person that everyone loves and the very few friends I've told have been totally shocked. The whole thing has absolutely devastated me. I would never thought I would want to take him back, but I do.I know it will be so hard, but I'm willing to give it a try. I have found out some facts (from his first wife via my stepson) that this piece of sh*t has done this before to two other married men and that was 20 years ago so she has had ample opportunity to have trebled that score by now. And I imagine it must be some sort of record for her to break up two marriages for the same man. My other big problem is that he and my stepson have fallen out over it. SS is VERY angry and OH told me yesterday that he'd said he loved me as much as his own mum, which shocked, stunned and warmed my heart in equal measure. I am trying to smooth things over between them but OH is angry as SS hasn't just accepted the situation and SS is very angry as OH has basically rocked the whole foundations of their relationship. Sorry for this being so looooong but there is so much I needed to offload. If anyone has any help to give I would really appreciate it. I think if things got back to normal OH and SS could get their previously great relationship back on track but my biggest problem is how do I make him want me over her? How do I compete with a fantasy woman, someone he has held a torch for for over 20 years? A plus point is he has told her that I know and since then had his mobile switched off and swears he has had no messages from her...but what he doesn't know is, he has! I managed to get hold of his mobile and read three unbelievable messages from the pathetic tart and then I pronmptly deleted them! Hopefully she might think she has ben dumped! This has given me a total kick up the backside in many areas and I've found an inner strength I didn't know I had,which I have proved by not ringing the slag ang giving her a piece of my mind! If anyone has ever been in a similar situation, or even those who haven't, I would be so grateful for any help or advice any of you wise ladies can give. Thanks for listening x |
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This sounds such an awful story, but how brave you are being. Good luck Need2know I hope things improve for you. With your courage and determination it sounds as though you are on the right track. Loo |
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Need2know, you are doing so well although you must be totally devastated. Lines have to be drawn here, will he be continually 'lusting' after her or was this an error on his part? Does your OH want to stay with you and make the enormous effort that he will have to put in to show that you are the one? Has he realised how stupid he has been (if even his son thinks so!!)? Will you be able to trust what he says or does again? I am sure you are going through the same questions on your own and although everyone can help you and offer you different angles, only you can make that enormous decision based on how you truly feel. Been there and felt totally demoralised and an idiot!! So, perfectly normal thinking. Keep strong and let us know how things progress. Maggiex |
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If he really wanted her, he would have gone to her. But he has told you all about it and wants to stay with you. It sounds as though it will all be okay, but it will take time. Hang in there. Things are going to get tough now, because the tart knows that he has real feelings for you and wants to make things work. She won't be happy at being dumped. Don't let her attempts stir things up come between you. ..wispa |
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I haven't any experience of this kind of situation but just wanted to let you know my heart goes out to you. You must be so disappointed in him, he has really let you down & you must be wondering how he could to this to you. I would think it must be extremely difficult to deal with this on your own & can only suggest you seek counselling of some sort. Hopefully you'll have some other replies shortly with more concrete advice..... Take care of yourself, |
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I can't give you any advice other than be true to your self. Sending you hugs & love with admiration for your strength!{}{}{}XXXx Anne xx |
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Need2know - you are so brave and strong right now, i think your stepson will be yopur best ally in this - he can make your husband see what an idiot he is being. im wondering whether some time apart from your husband will help him to get this woman out of his system - he may realise that she isn't the person he thinks she is, and then he will be in no more doubt and turmoil if you two get back togrther. It may also give you time to decide if you really want him back. If things haven't been good for a while maybe you will enjoy life more without him. Take care - you are doing so well - xx |
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Wise words Skippy. x |
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You must feel to be on an emotional rollercoaster and its not easy to make decisions when you feel like this. Whilst you have deleted the messages off your OHs phone you do not know that she will not be contacting him in other ways eg email. I know how hard this must be but he needs to be the one to tell her not to contact him anymore and no matter how much you may want to start again it takes two to give the committment to do that. Concentrate on getting things back on track between yourself and your OH and stay neutral between your OH and SS, you have enough to deal with. Your anger with the other woman I can understand but when things are not right there are always temptations around and it could have been anyone in reality. Don't waste your energy on her better to use it getting things right for you, shes not worth spending any time on. Don't lose your confidence whatever you do, remember you are not the one who has strayed...good luck |
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Well if he didn't stick with her 20 years ago there must have been a good reason and sooner or later he'll remember what it was. Running back to the past rather than facing up to a problem is the easy option and he's probably feeling flattered that she's still there and chasing him. All you can do is hang in there (in your situation I'd also be monitoring text messages!). Now it's out in the open the excitement from the secrecy of the affair will have been lost and he'll probably be starting to feel guilty so he'll eventually want to make the right decision. |
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Thanks for all of your kind replies and good wishes. He is still in limbo at the moment, doesn't know what he wants to do but I am feeling really strong and confident today and I actually feel like HE is the victim not me! Especially after I found out today that although she has a good job, the slut's OH is a jobless, drunken abuser!! My OH just cannot see the wood for the trees and I actually pity him. I hhave asked him to think about why she didn't contact him for 20 years if she loved him so much but he has no answers. I am striving to show that I can get by quite well without him but at the same time have laid my cards on the table and told him I don't want us to split up. There are other complications as to why they both have not just took off and shacked up together which I am pleased about as it will give him more time to think. At the end of the day, even if he chooses me, it may not work out for us but I know exactly where we went wrong and I would make sure we didn't go down that road again. There is the added problem that I would find it very difficult to trust him again but I have an ace up my sleeve for that one!! |
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Hang on in there, need2know, and do continue to show him that you can get by quite well without him but that you've chosen to stay with him. Your latest post sounds positive. Hold on to that feeling. Big Hug (( )), Sella |
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If she is so fabulous why is she so c""p at long term relationships? Keep that inner strength going and if there are any gaps in it they are for you to know and no-one else. Wilting wife never won wandering OH. |
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What doesn't kill you makes you stronger! Cope any way you can. Do whatever you think is right. I had a very public and humiliating similar experience several years ago and I am so grateful to the silly cow who liberated me. My Ex has been through a string of affairs and marriages, but mostly ignored his son. I now have a supportive husband who believes in committment......however, nothing is perfect. |
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Sounds like she's looking for a way out of a relationship that's not working and she knew which strings to pull so that she could line up someone to go to. |
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I am really so grateful for all of your replies. However, from the strong survivor I was yesterday I am now a weeping wreck. Without wanting to make excuses for him, he is really a good man,who everyone loves and this is completely out of character for him which is how I rumbled him so easily. But the thing is, we have both been extremely negligent of each other (seperate beds, the lot) and I can totally understand how when someone threw him a lifeline he took it. He never meant to hurt anyone and is devastated that he has. Last night I had an absolutely BLAZING row with him which ended in tears and I suppose, a little bit more understanding. I told him that he is not being fair on me and he agreed but still didn't know what to do as he doesn't believe we can get back what we once had, where I do think we can. When he had gone to bed I checked his phone, which he had switched off, and there was a message from her with arrangements. I was shaking with anger, fear- everything. Though it was late, I'm lucky to have a friend who is there for me anytime. She told me what I had to do:get into bed with him and... well I don't need to say anymore do I? To cut a long story short I did, which meant this morning he was lovely. He was back to his normal self but I still had the spectre of him meeting her hanging over me. In the end I confronted him and he had no choice but to admit it. Something I haven't mentioned is that she now actually lives in another country (far away fortunately) and is leaving at the weekend and had asked to see him. He has sworn that nothing is going to happen (and I made him put on his grottiest underpants just in case!) and I believe him. I broke down and told him I'd deleted her message, why I had slept with him and for once since this hideous mess began, the husband I know and love comforted me. He is there with her now and I don't mind telling you ladies, I am a wreck. I wanted to throw a sickie at work but I'm not that type so I am here, trying to make the best of it but my eye is constantly on the clock as I feel with her going away this will be the last time he will see her, unless he decides it's her he wants. I have asked him to ring me if there is anything to tell but up to now he hasn't. He met her at 12 and it's now 1.20...and I don't know what to think but am praying he has made the right decision. Thanks for listening, ladies..I needed to get it off my chest x |
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Need2know, we are all thinking of you! I think it must be completely normal for your emotions to be jumping from one extreme to the other. This has to be the longest lunchtime ever for you but every moment he hasn't phoned is a moment longer without a decision and if he'd not made a decision before meeting her then that's in your favour. |
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Oh my God, Need2know, this is happening to you TODAY!! Hadn't realised that while reading the posts. Have fingers crossed for your strength and your heart. Okay, so he is a weak man and there are usually reasons for someone to stray, but after this famous lunch, I think you need to lay down some ground rules when he comes home. (Not that it's my place to tell you how to deal with your marriage - sorry) However, if it were me, I would make it very clear that any further contact with this woman, or any other woman, would be THE END!! No more understanding or excuses. He has had those and now, his attention is to be focused only on you and your marriage. My heart is in my mouth for you. Lots of love to you. |
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Maire I'm so glad you said that - I've been thinking the same thing. Need2know - I admire you so much for being able to look at your marriage and see what's going on, and for having compassion for your OH. Having said that - unless you're willing to have this woman in your life for ever if he makes that choice, then you have to take the stand that Maire is suggesting. You need to decide what it is that you want. Even tho the woman lives in another country that doesn't stop the emails, phone calls and endless pining. Please don't leave all the decisions up to him. Your marriage can survive if both people are willing to work at it - he needs to make that decision. I can imagine how hard it is for you just now and my heart goes out to you. Sending you lots of love. Marg x |
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Hi need2know, Thinking of you this afternoon as I have been in a similar situation. I would be interested to know what the ace up your sleeve is for regaining trust - you can PM me with that one if you wish. Keeping my fingers crossed that things work out the way you want them to and sending big hugs to you.
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Need2know ... I am so very sorry that you are going through this. I prayed for you that the best solution to this situation comes to you both soon. I am not surprised you are in a state .. and day to day your feelings will change, anger, relief, nothing at all, pain, grabbing at straws, then anger again and so it goes until it is sorted out. Sometimes there is nothing we can do, but we can ask God to intervene and choose the best path for us. Hang in there
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Need2know - really hope all works out for you I do really know what you're going through - but do hang on in there. like headgirl I too wonder what your 'ace' for trust is??? Think a few of us would be keen to learn from you. Hattie |
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Hi Need2know, what an awful time you are having, hope everything has turned out the way you want it to, I admire the way you have handled the whole situation when you obviously in pieces, here's to you, thinking of you and a great big hug to be getting on with. x |
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My thoughts are with you, need2know, and I am going to put forward a rather old fashioned point of view, because I'm hoping you two will have another chance at sorting things out. From what you write, you have recently seen, once again, the husband you know and love, and you know there has been neglect on both sides. So, if you want to keep him, love him. Let him be your hero. Be kind to him, and treat him with love and respect, not in a subservient way, but as an equal. Everyone wants to be loved and admired, so love and admire him, and give him the chance to love and admire you too. A gentle touch and a smile can go a long way. |
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Need2know So sorry you are having a horrible time. Thinking of you and hope things work out. x |
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Need to know Sorry to hear of your distress the last few days. If you think your man is worth fighting for then fight as you have been doing. You can only win though if your OH truely wants to be with you. If he doesn't and is pining for someone else all the time no matter how hard you work at your marriage there can never be a happy ending. My thoughts are with you good luck and god bless Hugs Sandie xxx |
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Oh ladies...if only I'd had you all here tonight. He picked me up from work and I quizzed him about what had gone on, but didn't press him too much as I knew I would cry and didn't want to till I got home. Then he broke the news that he wants to be with her. Honestly, I can't tell you how that felt. I was expecting good news and had been imagining how we could get things back to normal so to be confronted with the worst possible news was devastataing.I am not sorry to say I went absolutely ballistic! I have never, ever been so angry in my whole life. I used swear words I didn't even know I knew, threw things, slammed doors and honestly, I swear if I'd had a knife in my hand I could have done some serious damage and believe me there is not an aggressive bone in my body, normally. My stepson came in later and I gave him the news and he was gutted. My husband doesn't seem to understand the depth of everyone's feelings-I think he thought everyone was going to dance to his tune and is really surprised that they aren't.SS eventually left the room and I went after him, and he broke down in tears (and he is 24 yrs old). The man he has respected all of those years has just been shown to be a liar and a cheat, and even when that was exposed didn't have the guts to do the right thing and stand by his family. To be honest we both feel like an alien has taken over his body. He is acting sooo out of character, I feel I don't even know him. To vent some of my anger I have sent some verrry choice texts to the slag-which she hasn't had the guts to reply to. Instead she texted him and told him to get me to stop or she would come and see me. Nice, eh? On top of my grief she expects me to start scrapping on my own doorstep, which shows what a class act she is! I ordered HIM in no uncertain terms to tell her to back off and thankfully he did. I can't begin to make you all understand how I feel but stupidly I ended up trying to reason with him. I KNOW we could get everything back that we once had but he is reluctant to commit...to me! I have said that he owes it to me to give our relationship a chance. It will take at least 3 months for her to sort her affairs out over there and our house definitely will take a while to sell, so I have suggested he takes that time out to give us a chance. When I am rational and not screaming he listens to me, but he's now gone to bed without giving me an answer. I am really worn out by it all. I can't get through to him what an idiot he's being, giving up everything for some low-life slag. I truly, truly appreciate everyone's good wishes- it is so nice to know that people I don't even know are so caring. He keeps saying he hasn't felt loved for years and I am really, really sorry about that, but given the chance I would make it up to him. But am I a fool for offering him that chance? I kind of hate myself for doing it but I can't help it. He is like a lost soul and is making decisions when the state of his mind is clearly unbalanced but I love him and want everything to get back to normal. If only I could turn back the clock. Thank you all so very much for your incredible support, you are all brilliant. No doubt there will be another thrilling instalment soon x |
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It will get better, it really will. Probably not in the way you could possibly imagine. Everyone has a right to respect. The only thing in this situation that you can control is yourself. Lavish care on yourself; listen to the music you like, eat the food that nourishes you, look at things that please you and smell nurturing scents. It is apparent that you are surrounded by love, just look at the responses on this site. |
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Hi OzzieKez, Yes I am lucky that I have some really good friends and I include people on this site in that. It is heart-warming that everyone's there for me and giving me such good advice. I'm afraid I'm too strung out at the moment to nurture myself...I've had nothing since breakfast apart from several large brandies and even that hasn't dulled the pain. Yesterday I was so strong-but now that strength has vanished-just when I need it! |
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I'm so sorry need2know. Please look after yourself for now. It sounds like things are far too raw to start making decisions, or having deep talks with him. I feel so bad for you. You will feel better though, no matter what the outcome. That I know for sure. Much love Margaret x. |
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OK, need2know, it's time for plan B. Find yourself a good lawyer asap. Make sure you know your rights, and have some money of your own. OH may change his mind yet, but you have to consider that if he does, he might change it back again. I'd stop calling the other woman names in front of him, or indeed having any contact with her at all. I'm sure, in the circumstances, I'd have behaved exactly as you did tonight, but tomorrow is a new day and you are going to need to hold on to your dignity. It's up to you and only you to decide if you still want to try and hold on to him or not, but either way, acting in a dignified manner (and I emphasise acting here because that's the last thing you'll be feeling) will help you feel better in the long run, and will make you seem stronger. Now go and eat something and have a hot drink. It'll still be bad in the morning, you probably won't sleep at all tonight, but you need to keep your strength up. Love and hugs (( )), Sella |
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Please PM me if you would like to chat. I have been in exactly the same situation as you. My thoughts are with you. Buy yourself the CD called 'Staying on the Path' by Dr Wayne Dyer and try to sleep well. Hugs, Janine XXX |
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So sorry its got to this needtoknow - but I was in almost the same place as you some years ago. at this point I made him go and be with her. Taking control really helped me, beginning to plan a future without my OH was awful but really helped. Once he left reality at last kicked in for him and he thankfully woke up. I refused at first to be in contact but then after the worst 5 days of my life I saw him at his request and we slowly began at last to rebuild what we had but I was in control. We went for counselling and now are as happy as we were many years ago. I too neglected our relationship but you can get it back - not exactly the same but still good. At times I hate myself and think how weak I am but just like you dont feel i have a choice about wanting to be with him - but you can take control. Sorry this is so long but I hope it helps to know you are not alone. Being on this forum has so helped me learn that!!! Really thinking of you hugs Hattie |
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Hi Need2know, I hope you are ok this morning, I cannot tell you how upset I feel for you what an absolutely ghastly position to be in, all I can say is if you need to talk please pm me I am having marriage problems at the moment perhaps not quite as extreme as yours but can imagine what you must be feeling. Sella-Vee, would absolutely love someone like you around your advice is spot on well done. Denzy x |
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need2know, I'm so sorry. I've been through something similar, and it hurts so much. Sella-Vee has given good advice,so do listen to her. Remember your OH was only reacting to what he heard yesterday, and once he's thought about it might change his mind, but you need to put yourself first and decide whether or not you want to spend the rest of your life with him. It's now your choice, not his ..wispa |
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Hello Need2know. I just want to send you a message of support for what you are going through. Why is it that a man can say he has been unhappy for years yet apparently do nothing about it until some tart on a white charger comes to "save" him? Wasn't it supposed to be us women who needed to be rescued? I will never, ever understand a woman who knowingly takes a married man, ever. Sella-Vee is right, you need to take some control and this is a time to hold yourself together, whatever happens. x x x |
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need 2 know, I feel so sorry that it has come to this,but I think Sella -Vee is spot on with her advice,I wish she had been around when I went through this scenario a few years ago-believe me you will get through it. Do look after yourself just act strong and one day you will realise it is no longer an act. my thoughts and prayers are with you |
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Thanks for all of your good wishes, everyone-I really appreciate it. I finally calmed down last night and tried (again) to talk rationally to him. He has caused so much upset to everyone and I swear this is so unlike him. I have asked him to just think about telling her to put everything on hold for 3-6 months and in that time, give us a chance. He said he would think about it but this morning I can't even be bothered to ask him anything, I feel so demoralised.I sent the slut one last message,(this time not calling her all the foul names under the sun) telling her what devastation she has caused and that if she really does care about him, to let him go as being with her will ruin his life, especially with his kids (obviously didn't mention me as it's clear she has no regard for her fellow woman). If only the stupid man would wake up and smell the coffee! I'm convinced he's having a mid-life crisis and have cut and pasted loads off stuff off the net that I'm going to make him read-hopefully it might start his silly, infatuated brain working properly again. |
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Need2know, so sorry for the pain you are going through. Wish I could think of some inspirational words to help. All I can say is hang in there, you will eventually see that light at the end of the tunnel - and all the forum girls are behind you. Hugs |
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I am new to this forum. I heart goes out to you. Hold on to this marriage, if he wanted go he would of gone by now. you didn't mention how old is he,I think your huby just wanted to test his manhood & get a thrill another chasing him or prove to himself he can still pull a bird. Good Luck.
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Hi - been following this for the last couple of days and haven't posted, as really didn't know what to say. My ex OH told me one day, he hadn't been happy for some time and was leaving. Strange that within a week he had a 27 year old girlfriend. She has no interest in the children and had actively chased him, knowing that he was married with children. I however, was not prepared to fight, and let him go. You seem prepared to fight and I wish you all the luck in the world and know that whatever the outcome, in time you will not feel as bad as you feel now. Feel free to PM me if you need to offload and best wishes and a big hug. Anne |
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need2know I don't have any advice and have never been in this situation but just wanted to say I hope you get things sorted how you want them. There has been some excellent advice on here and I have to say you sound like quite a strong lady. I really do admire the way you have stood and fought for what you want. Even if he does go it sounds to me like you are a strong woman and will live to tell the tale. Good luck and best wishes to you. xx |
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Need2know ... I am so so sorry - your heart must be breaking! We are not married to this man and as outsiders we could say walk away, if he wants to go, then let him. But you are there living this nightmare. What would be good at this point is for you to take a few steps back and try to look at the facts. His feelings for this woman, ended his first marriage and relationship with his own children. After all these years - his feelings for this woman are wanting him to jeopardise/lose his second marriage and once again damage his relationship with his children. There is more to this than a casual fling. Sometimes people want the things they cant have and then when they get them they start to see its not what they wanted at all. Maybe he needs to be with her - to see that he does not want to be with her, if you know what I mean. I know this is frightening for you and I am not saying DONT fight for your marriage, it seems from what you are saying that he wants to go. Dont beg anymore - as long as you have made it clear to him that you love him and would be willing to fight for your marriage, he will remember that in the dark days ahead, he will remember who really loves him. Keep your integrity and self respect. You are a remarkable woman, fighting for your man and your marriage in this way. If it were me, I would pack his bags for him and kick him out, he doesn't deserve you sweetie! Maybe he will wake up and realise that. |
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Yes, it's certainly a roller coaster ride at the moment. I never know what is happening from one day to the next, or how I will be feeling. I suppose I am being quite strong but in spite of everything I don't want to lose him and on top of that it will so messy...it's just unthinkable. So...I'm hanging on there in the hope that he will come to his senses soon. Very soon! Thanks for all your good wishes xx |
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just gone on the forum after a few weeks away from it,I do know what you are going through, my kids have left home, have been married 27years, hubby hit 50this year met someone while working away a younger woman, says he does not hate me!!! he left me twice to stay with this woman, then says he wants to come home, promises he will never go again, realises what he misses at home, took him back, then 3 weeks ago decides to go again ( mid life crisis keeps being mentioned). Its an emotional roller coster, i have ups and downs thinking what did i do wrong, i agree with you i would fight all the way to keep him, but i can`t seem to win, he rings to see if i am ok( why). i wish you all the luckxxx
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Yes some men do go through a 'mid-life crisis' They want to recapture their twenties. need2know, be dignified. Don't text her, she will love it. I have been in a similar situation. Wanted to shred his clothes- pointless, I bought them. Wanted to run my keys along the side of his beloved Golf GTI - pointless, company car. Wanted to throw his golf clubs down the well - pointless, he would just buy another set. I shouted and words I had never uttered rolled off my tongue like treacle off a spoon. I went through his briefcase, pockets, got the password and read his emails. Did I feel better? No. For a good marriage you need trust otherwise you strangle yourself everytime he comes in late or doesn't answer his mobile phone. Do you love him or are you in love with him? Remember there has to be something left after lust. Which ever way it turns out for you be happy, be your own person and don't be a doormat. |
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Linn, i dont think you have done anything wrong,what i will say is that as we get older we question ourselves,are we still as attractive as when we were younger? I do feel that both men and women often after being together for many years can take each other for granted.Often our unhappiness isnt about the person we r with but the unhappiness is within ourselves.Both men and women at the age of 40/50 may have spent many years providing for their FAmily and suddenly "Johnny" and "Tracey" dont need you quite so much anymore.Over the years you've had a focus... the family, the mortgage,the climbing the ladder n suddenly its "easier" what now?? what now to fill that void that focus.Are you the same person your partner met on day one? have yor asperations(Sp?) changed? |
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Hope you have a better day Need 2 Know. They will get better. Stella Vee is right about the lawyer. When I was in the same position my friend made the appointment for me. I didnt think I would ever care about anything else ever again. However, as time went by, my ex was quite prepared to take whatever he could from our joint assets (mostly aquired by me - honestly) into his new love nest. I was left with the baby and the bills while he swanned around town in limos with his "new love". I was her boss. Who's behaviour do you think was scrutinised? Hold your head up, you are a lady who has been wronged. She's not going to care what you think. Her actions have shown her for what she is! It will hurt for a long time but it will get better no matter what the outcome. Who knows, perhaps you will find someone else more deserving. I did. |
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NTN So sorry that things have turned out this way for you as the others say you need to batten down the hatches now and look after number 1 and number 1 is YOU! Seek some advice about you home etc. And not what you want to hear I'm sure but it would appear that you only have anger for the 'other' woman - but I'm afraid it does take 2 to tango so your H is to blame as well- he didn't have to take the offer up so to speak. What you are feeling now is grief and feeling angry and upset ok at one moment and in pieces the next is perfectly NORMAL- don't forget that you are reacting in a normal way. Take Care Hugs Sxxx |
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We all feel flattered when someone else takes an interest and flirts but most of us know that it's enough to feel flattered and know not to take it any further. Linn and Need2know, it really sounds to me as if your OHs have serious doubts about leaving. Keep strong - whatever happens let them see you're strong and they're risking losing someone special. Chrissi |
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Chrissi, this man has 2 women chasing him. His wife and the tart. He's on a ego trip. ..wispa |
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Well...you are all going to hate me now but I'm going to have to defend my husband a little bit! The difference between Linn and I is that I do know where I went wrong. We had been in seperate rooms for months and hadn't had sex in all that time. Again, there were faults on both sides but OH says he felt totally rejected and night after night when he sloped off to bed on his own, he used to think "Is this it until I die??" So when the slut offered him a new life on a plate (and bearing in mind he has always carried a torch for her, and I was aware of that) he grabbed it with both hands. He knew it was wrong, he has NEVER strayed before but he couldn't stand how our relationship had become. Of course in hindsight he should have spoken to me before he did what he did, but maybe somehow he thought he could get away with it, I don't know. I know it probably sounds weak but I completely understand how he did what he did and though I wish to God he hadn't, maybe it was going to take something really drastic before we both woke up to what was happening to us. I was totally taking him for granted (and he me), I'd gained weight, slobbed around each night in trackie bottoms, we sat and stared at the TV every night then went to bed alone. Basically it was an accident waiting to happen.It is taking some doing but I feel like I am getting through to him a little, although he is still a relucatant to sever ties with the slut as he doesn't know if we can get back what we had. I've told him I'm putting 100% into this. I obviously stopped eating when I first found out and am capitalising on this and have lost a little weight,I have outlined the new life we will have if he is up for it and at the end of the day, if our marriage fails it will be through no fault of mine...this time. Basically, it boils down to the one thing she could offer him that I wasn't, as she has nothing that I haven't got (in fact I have more to offer, the love of his kids, our home, our dog...our history together) and now though he says he has always loved her, I counter this with telling him he must have forgotten her when he fell in love with me (and told me I was the best girlfriend he had ever had, and he says this is still true) so he will forget her again when the girl he fell in love with comes back. I am fighting tooth and nail to keep him-I've never fought so hard for anything and I hate to disappoint you all if you think I'm doing the wrong thing (and I truly, truly am so very grateful for everyone's support-it is really wonderful and has really kept me going!)I can understand how some of you have him down as a complete b***ard but he's not-honest. If he was I would be glad to let him go. Sorry to go on at length-again! |
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Good for you Need2know, I hope with all my heart that you and hubby make a go of this and stay together and you both find love with each other. x |
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Need2know - if it feels right for you then you're doing the right thing. If it was my OH I'd do everything I could to get him to stay. |
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Need2know, it takes something to admit to all of this and hopefully now you have hit the bottom you will emerge slowly and build a better life,with OH or at the worst without,but you will surely know yourself more. Good luck,merc. |
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need2know, I am so worried you are being to hard on yourself. Okay, you let yourself go, and your marriage got into a rut. But it takes two do do that. Maybe if he he had paid you more attention, you would have taken better care of yourself. Maybe if had been a bit more sparky, you might have spent more time talking to him than watching TV. I'm glad you have decided to make the most of yourself, but do it for you, not him. Why not take up new interests, meet new people. Then you'll have things to talk about, and won't want to watch so much TV. But don't take all the blame, he was just as much to blame for the rut you both got into, although the affair is all his fault. The tart has probably been filling his head about how bad you are. He needs gentle reminding what drove you to it. And if he does does run off with her, her long before he treats their relationship the same way. Hold your head high, keep on with the weight loss, and bin those tracky bottoms and spend some money on some nice clothes, hair cut, perfume, maybe a gym membership - but take it all out the joint account. Good luck for the future, whatever you decide to do. ..wispa x |
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I am sure that alot of us will understand entirely your feelings and that you want to make this marriage work again. I second Denzy's words! Thinking of you. |
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You're not doing the wrong thing need2know. You're doing what feels right to you and that's what's important - not what other people think. I read once that some affairs can happen when there are issues in the marriage and an affair seems the only way out. Not that it's a good reason, but an understandable one and it seems like you understand that too and know that he is a good man despite it. I agree with wispa - don't be too hard on yourself - it does take two, but now that you see some things in the past that you wish you hadn't done - it gives you a chance to do them right this time. Don't look back and be guilty - goodness, we all make mistakes, that's how we learn and become better people. But for this to work it takes both of you to make a commitment to the marriage. I really hope that he decides to work with you and make it better and have a stronger marriage at the end of it. It's really nice that you can still love him and see his goodness - that says a lot for you, and for him. But at the end of the day it's your life, and your respect, and if it doesn't work out know that you can make changes for you, like wispa says, and have a better life with or without him. |
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Hello again, need2know, I've been giving you a bit of breathing space before butting in again with my thoughts because I wanted to see what you would decide. If you are intent on hanging on to your man, go for it. Make yourself the woman he wants to be with. No more blame and recriminations, no more mention of the other woman, and no nagging. She's offering him sweetness and light so you need to be sweeter and lighter! You've done the most amazing thing in recognising your own faults, while continuing to see the good qualities in your OH. I so admire you for that. Although you've been on a rollercoaster of emotions, you don't come over as bitter, and that will put you at a huge advantage whatever happens in the future. So, love yourself and make yourself lovely, try to keep your home as a place of refuge for you both, somewhere you both want to be. Become an old fashioned wife and cherish your man, but keep some outside interests of your own going, as a modern wife would. Don't depend on your OH for everything. Let other people find you fascinating too. Good luck and hugs (( )) , Sella. |
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Sella_Vee,maybe I don't come across as bitter yet but I sure as hell will be if he doesn't choose me! I'm not taking the blame but I really do think it was my neglect that caused all of this and now I am desperately trying to put right what I did wrong. I seem like a real soft touch but honestly I have given him SUCH a hard time over this, and it's only now when the dust has settled a bit that I am being to come to terms with what happened. I have said there were faults on both sides and he agrees, but as far as s-e-x is concerned, I really feel now that it's something that affected him more than it did me. I hated the situation we were in but it didn't fill my every waking hour as it seemed to do with him. Men seem to equate sex with love,in that if their partner isn't up for it all he time they think they don't love them.I thought he would always be there no matter what happened and it's says something for how down he was for him to take such drastic action.I know it seems mad, me making allowances for him but I can see now that our relationship was making him dreadfully unhappy. I would never, ever in a million years have suspected him of having an affair-he just isn't the type. And should I win him over, I am convinced that as long as he has no further contact with the slut, I would have nothing to worry about on the infidelity front. You all probably think I'm mad-but if you knew him too I'm sure you would all blame me! Though I feel I am making a little progress, he still hasn't told me his decision and it's driving me mad!!But I am harnessing all of my will power and trying not to push him, and am concentrating on being the wife I should have been, and hopefully he will make the right decision. Oh well, we will see what tomorrow brings! |
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Surprisingly, need2know, I don't think you are a soft touch at all. I think you are someone who has made a mistake, and who is big enough to admit it. Your OH has made a mistake too, but your not putting all the blame on him, as so many women would do in your situation. You've made the decision that you want to hold on to your man and you're going to fight keep him. I'm just suggesting you fight for him with love and kindness, and a bit of good food and wine and home comforts too. You've made him happy before, see if you can do it again. And if it all turns out to be in vain, at least you'll know you gave it your best shot. In the meantime you may want to read a book called "The Sixty Minute Marriage" by Rob Parsons. He's also got a newer book called "The Sixty Minute Marriage Builder". They're on amazon. It also wouldn't hurt to have the name and number of a good lawyer just in case. I'm really rooting for you on this, need2know. Keep us posted, but don't pressure him. |
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Need to Know You're not disappointing anyone on here I'm sure, at the end of the day it's your life and you love your man and want him to feel the same and have your relationship back to what it was like before the other woman and you both drifting apart. You go girl and fight for it. Good Luck Sx |
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The fact that he's still not made up his mind has to be in your favour. It's obviously not an easy decision for him to make so he must have strong doubts about leaving. Keep on showing him what he'll be missing! Try not to beat yourself up about how your marriage got to this point (how could you know how unhappy he was if he didn't say - OH's seem to think we're mind readers!) and try to stay positive. No matter what happens you'll know you've done everything you can. I won't be logged in over the weekend but will be thinking of you. Chrissi |
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Hi Needtoknow. I think you are an amazing woman, willing to fight for what's yours. I only hope your husband sees this and you make a new start together. Good luck. x x |
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Need 2 know ... we are the last people you should be worried about. What we think of your marriage - does not matter, so dont think you are disapointing anybody. You are being an honourable wife and you obviously have alot of love in your heart for this man. Most marriages go through those quiet periods of no sex or very little conversation or whatever it may be that eventually drives a wedge in between husband and wife. The main thing is you two know what went wrong and that is a great start - be the best YOU that you know how to be, just take it day by day and bring him on home if that's what you want. The fact that you are fighting for him will mean alot to him when he realises this ... be strong as it's not going to be easy, but you go girl! If that is what you want then all strength to you. I hope this weekend is first steps to your marriage getting back on track. God bless |
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What I am rather 'nosey' I suppose about Need2know is why your marriage had drifted into the separate beds in the first place....I hope you don't mind me asking....as you seem to be quite open and willing to share your torment on here...Its just that is he REALLY worth 'fighting' for....As you seem to have 'regained' your feelings for your husband only when you thought you were going to loose him to ANOTHER..{slut}.... Only asking.....and do wish you well.
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Kafferlilly, it's very easy to drift into separate beds - young children, bereavement, insomnia, different working hours, restless legs, snoring - there are lots of reasons, and sometimes you just don't realise how long it's been when your mind is preoccupied, especially if you love and trust your OH. Initially you might just be glad of a good night's sleep, but then it becomes a habit, and sometimes one or other partner gets lonely. Now you don't need to be sleeping in the same bed every night to be close to your partner - ask anyone who works nights - but you do have to make time for intimacy. It's why going out on "dates" with you OH is such a good idea, or going for walks and holding hands. You need to keep touching as well as keeping in touch. |
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Just a quickie (yeah right!)to keep you all in the picture. I got a text this morning from her saying she's told him it was over. So...I won but it definitely feels like an own goal. He is dreadfully upset about it all and so was I again-all of the fight just drained out of me. But then, I got angry, and reminded myself that no way was I going to be second best to anyone. I told him I had said and done all I was prepared to and if he wanted me back, he would need to do something about it. I then took myself out to spend loads of money on clothes (Could I find any? Could I hell!). He has cheered up a little but I've still got my angry head on, so God only knows what this evening will bring. I feel like I'm starring in my own soap-opera...I only wish it wasn't real life x |
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If you really want to keep him, take your angry head right off and be nice. She could be bluffing! Now she's become unattainable again you need to keep fighting. And you definitely need to spend money on new clothes, and shoes, and handbags and undies. Keep looking .
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Hi all again! Kafferlilly, we ended up in seperate beds largely because of my (and I hate to say this...) snoring! And at the time I was having night sweats which were stopping us getting any sleep, and it seemed like a good, temporary solution. Only it didn't turn out to be temporary. He thought I didn't love him and I thought, as time went on, that he didn't fancy me anymore. During all this time, I never once thought there was another woman. I just thought he'd always be there. How wrong I was... |
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Hello Need2know Have only just read through these posts and can't believe what's been happening to you. Can't really offer any advice but a few points some of which are in agreement with other posters. Only be doing the weight loss thing etc for you because you want to not for him. He married you for better and for worse-is he still the same as when you first married? If not, do you expect him to change for you? I would be inclined to try as hard as I could not to be too confrontational at the moment as all that will do is make him think the grass is greener. Particularly if the other woman is showing him her reasonable side. If she is going to live abroad then if she is the kind of woman she seems to be then do you really think she will sit and wait or will her social life continue in the manner it already has done? I think the no se* thing can be a bit of an excuse anyway and that maybe he should be a little more understanding from that point of view anyway. Did you going looking elsewhere? I suspect not? N2k-I don't want to just present the negative side or appear one sided but your husband had to make some 'proactive' moves aswell with regard to seeing/meeting this other woman. The reality of being with someone permanently and having an affair is very different. Perhaps you should let him go and then see if she is the wonderful creature he thinks she is when it's her who is clearing up after him, keeping home, dealing with finances, putting the loo seat back down, using the sink after he's shaved and the day to day life. I think they would both see a different side to each other then, and not just one way round! I'm sure it will be a long battle ahead whichever way it goes and I wish you strength, courage and dignity by the bucketload. PS Whichever route you take don't be too easy on him but be sure you can live with your decision if he comes back! |
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Hi Beausoleil, as you can imagine, today has been hard-really hard. We had planned to go out tonight and as the atmosphere at home is dreadful, I suggested we go out anyway. It was a bit of a mistake as I really couldn't be bothered to speak to him and feel like I've had a change of heart actually. I am so very, very angry at the awful mess he has made of our lives. I have admitted my faults and have been like a complete angel for the past few days and then I get hit with this. He is clearly very sad but hey, so am I!! He is full of self-pity and clearly thinks what has happened to him is much worse than what has happened to me and quite frankly I am sick of it. As you point out, he didn't have to have an affair...it was his choice. I had no choice whether to have my heart broken and have the very fabric of my life threatened, and my stepson didn't ask to have his faith in his dad shattered, but it happened nonetheless and it was all down to my husband and his tart. I have told him tonight that I think we will split up because he will have to try to win me back and I think he is too lazy, self-centred and too absorbed in his own "heartbreak" to bother about mine. The way I feel now, I don't even want him back. He is a grown man with a family and responsibilities and he is acting like a love-lorn teenager and I find him weak, stupid, boring and very selfish-quite a change from how I thought of him yesterday, isn't it? The weight thing I am doing for myself. I have wanted to lose weight for ages but could never do it, but now me and hunger are best buddies and I like it that way. My self-esteem has takena battering and I am very keen to get back to the person I was whether he wants me or not. |
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You sound really really angry need2know and you have every right to be. He does appear so different now that slutface has decided not to have him. He is "too absorbed in his own 'heartbreak' to bother about mine" in your words and he cannot expect you to have any sympathy for him. I think if you stay angry with him to his face he will find it very difficult to start making it up with you. If it were me I would keep the household ticking over as normal but spend every spare minute on myself - whatever it takes to be happy with myself again. You have been through the wringer, now look after yourself, and if you decide you want to keep him - give him a lifeline. Good luck x x x |
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To be honest, Issi, I really don't know if I do still want him. This latest revelation has been a massive dent to my pride so much so that I don't know if I can get over it. The last few days were fine and I thought it would just be a matter of time but now I think I was fooling myself. When we were out tonight I said to him "have you looked at me lately?" because I felt I was looking pretty damn good whereas he just looked tired, depressed and old. But I don't even think looks come into it anymore as he keeps banging on about her being his true soul mate, which is pathetic and sickening. I have given him every chance and he still hasn't done anything so I'm afraid I'm close to throwing in the towel because I don't think he deserves me. |